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Ardour
05-24-2005, 11:58 AM
1 newb farmers
2 people !disabling

solution for 1: Make it so people that want to duel their rules, they pm the bot and wait. People that dont mind pm the bot !duel:1 or something.

Ardour
05-24-2005, 12:04 PM
solution for 2: Display someones rating when they challenge you or the ammount of times they !disabled there name.

Sorry for haveing to do this thread retardly. My browser wont let me post long post replies and I dont know why.

Expunge
05-24-2005, 01:23 PM
although it might not be necessary to do all of that, It would be cool if people's ratings were showed in their challenges.

Wil
05-24-2005, 01:49 PM
Yeah i know what you mean about the disabling thing. Also antoher problem with Duel at the moment is the number of aliased people in it, who use their main name to rank with and a second or even third name to fuck up other people's scores. Not cool kids :(

pascone
05-24-2005, 03:34 PM
aliases are clearly a big problem but they wouldn't be if people near the top would play people near the top and not bitch away from matches...not an easy way to control that though

Cut
05-24-2005, 03:42 PM
People from the bottom such as players like Pronessim, what a shitty ass newb

Wil
05-24-2005, 03:46 PM
haha i just checked the twel site, im ranked 5th in javs... somehow :greedy:

Jones
05-25-2005, 02:56 AM
Avoiding challenges will always be the biggest problem.

Jeansi
05-25-2005, 03:44 AM
What's a farmer? Someone registering new nicks all the time?

Sumpson
05-25-2005, 05:09 AM
Spiders waiting the excact time to shoot when it doesnt count as spawning anymore ruins it to me. Players like Dr. Dre and Feline.

Zerzera
05-25-2005, 05:17 AM
What's a farmer? Someone registering new nicks all the time?

I think that, with newbiefarmer, they mean players that only play alot of newbies to get their rating up.

StarKitty
05-25-2005, 05:52 AM
Can't it just be made so people can only CHALLENGE people up to 100 ranks below them or similar.
If some newbie challenges someone far above them in the ranks, that's their problem, but if you limit how far down someone can challenge then you can at least make it more annoying for the farmer.

As for disables.. If the bot is edited to remember how many times a player has disabled it will only start from when it's implemented?.. So all the disables so far wouldn't be recorded. It'd be pointless now, but maybe implemented next TWEL?
2d.. take notes :P

Ikrit
05-25-2005, 07:24 AM
2d.. take notes :P

as long as the forums don't die, this is a good notebook :P

3Stripes
05-25-2005, 05:12 PM
the twel system allows newbs and pretty much anyone with no skill to be on top, its a faulty system.. untill this is fixed (which i doubt could be done), the league wont get much interest from top players. i think its just a good place to have an organized duel with someone you want to play from time to time.

Jones
05-25-2005, 06:29 PM
Yeah, but the tournament in the end should make some better players interested.

Sirius
05-26-2005, 01:32 AM
Who cares about who ends up in what position. In the end the playoffs will filter out all the trash.

Sleepy Weasel
05-26-2005, 01:44 AM
What does !disabling do?
When are playoffs?

Creature
05-26-2005, 08:42 AM
Spiders waiting the excact time to shoot when it doesnt count as spawning anymore ruins it to me. Players like Dr. Dre and Feline.
That's completely true.

Savageee
05-26-2005, 03:40 PM
I think the +/- of the ratings should curve sharply based on ratings both ways to encourage a more of a LADDER type setting. Either make it so you can't duel someone more then 100+/- your rating or make those games worth 0 points. Then you could add a command to the bot that will display the names of people within your rating or even randomly challenge someone in the range.

I think this would make the ladder more accurate AND more fun as people would actually have to climb through the ratings (hence the word ladder). This would weed out the newb farmers especialy when the ratings get to 1500+ and not allow someone to just challenge everyone good. Sure they will lose most the games but that 50 points you get when you win still brings you up even if you lose 10 games at -3 first.

2dragons
05-26-2005, 04:09 PM
- About the spiders timing their bullets to not hit the spawn. Please turn on warping, that will solve that. If not then we face having to increase the spawn time which I'm not sure is the best solution.

- Adding a players rating to a challenge is a good idea.

- I have been thinking of imposing some limitation on who can duel who. I won't go with a 'you can only challenge within 100 ranks of yours.' That is too limiting and the # of ranked players really fluxes. However I have considered only allowing challenges within a certain rating spread. Ie: you can only challenge within 150 rating pts of your own.

- And lastly about disable, I agree, people who disable then duel people can really hurt someone if they lose. The above would solve that.

Sirius
05-27-2005, 12:33 AM
I would put their rating + rank into it. And aside from just adding a player's rating/rank to a challenge, a seperate !rank command would be very helpful as well, just like !lag

Arikel
05-27-2005, 09:05 AM
- About the spiders timing their bullets to not hit the spawn. Please turn on warping, that will solve that. If not then we face having to increase the spawn time which I'm not sure is the best solution.

- Adding a players rating to a challenge is a good idea.

- I have been thinking of imposing some limitation on who can duel who. I won't go with a 'you can only challenge within 100 ranks of yours.' That is too limiting and the # of ranked players really fluxes. However I have considered only allowing challenges within a certain rating spread. Ie: you can only challenge within 150 rating pts of your own.
- And lastly about disable, I agree, people who disable then duel people can really hurt someone if they lose. The above would solve that.

Oh that's not fair i have a shitty rank and i would like to be able to challenge or get challenged by whoever i want <_< it's not that i actually rank in twel i really don't take it seriously enough to do that and i get bored and lose lots of duels... besides that i would want to be able to challenge anyone... i don't think there should be restrictions on challenges as some persons like me just take twel lightly and only like to enjoy a casual duel and not actually rank...

PS: i haven't noticed yet but i think some of my victories were against persons that would have at the time much more than 150 ranks distance from mine... it happens to anyone who gets bored easely and isn't very regular and never keeps the same gaming skill for a long time...

Jones
05-28-2005, 07:03 PM
Oh that's not fair i have a shitty rank and i would like to be able to challenge or get challenged by whoever i want <_< it's not that i actually rank in twel i really don't take it seriously enough to do that and i get bored and lose lots of duels... besides that i would want to be able to challenge anyone... i don't think there should be restrictions on challenges as some persons like me just take twel lightly and only like to enjoy a casual duel and not actually rank...


?go #duel

Melon
05-29-2005, 03:02 PM
Who cares about who ends up in what position. In the end the playoffs will filter out all the trash.


That might be true in some ways, but what about the people that were better then the trash but didnt make it becuase they didn't play all new people?

It wouldnt be fair if supersaiyankillerdroid42069 makes it to twel-j playoffs becuase he goes 50-0 against people that just discovered TW, and Cape doesn't make playoffs becuase he played all top people.

Crusade
05-30-2005, 01:02 PM
ill duel any one with less than 200 ms :> just bring it

deskTOP
06-08-2005, 12:57 AM
It's really funny when some1 says how sad is when you lose points for some eliteplayer123456789...
like sirius said, -Who cares about who ends up in what position. In the end the playoffs will filter out all the trash.-
I just lost like 105 points in 3 matches, because some ppl were aliased...
-so what- if u think ur good to go playoffs, u should be good to get ur points back.

Expunge
06-09-2005, 06:41 AM
if the only people you play are people worse than you, what's the point of playing?

RascaL
06-09-2005, 06:46 AM
haha i just checked the twel site, im ranked 5th in javs... somehow :greedy:

Somehow? We all know how

You only play people fresh from pub. Congrats.

Wil
06-09-2005, 11:02 AM
Damnit kid stop hiding behind alias'

Decypha
06-13-2005, 04:53 PM
i love how someone said "people rank on their main name, and ruin other peoples ranks on a 2nd or 3rd name"

i actually love that. cuz those guys that are getting their "rankings ruined" only accept challenges from people who have negative ratio, crappy squad, or retarded names that just look ez. they'll avoid people like me or any other good player just to keep their record or streak alive

its fucking hilarious when they lose to someone they think is a newbie but isnt at all.

bubbles19518
06-13-2005, 09:55 PM
Anyone know who Sabre is aliased as?

Asmodeus
06-16-2005, 04:26 PM
For those that don't know, your rating drops significantly when you !disable your account. I know for I did it 5 times the other day to see how far I could get it to go. ^_^ Also, you can only have one alias enabled at a time. So I don't see how having more than alias affects anything.

Fit of Rage
06-17-2005, 02:34 AM
So what if people alias, it's fun and if you disable a name it suffers a rating loss, so its starting from scratch every time

RascaL
06-17-2005, 08:00 AM
No...

Because if you disable a name...then enable a new one, the new one has 1000 rating.

Damnit Fit, think before you post. Third stupid post you've done today.

Fit of Rage
06-17-2005, 10:48 AM
no I don't think you're hearing me--so what if they reset at 1000, the top 100 are well above that anyway.

RascaL
06-19-2005, 12:37 PM
Mmm...

I just think it's a discreat version of cheating :o

JM

Sp_ace_ly_Fan
07-01-2005, 07:31 PM
ratings ladders manipulations is what i am a pro at

although i havent looked into the twe system much i do know that if there was a rating quick tell such as in the challenges and if the twe ran long enuff that you guys wouldnt have to worry about farmers because more and more points getting pushed into the system will make the tops higher and higher and that makes it harder and harder for the farmers to get ok looking names

youse can have ratings or ladder not both

youse call it a ladder but its not a ladder true ladders run by rungs you must play to defend your rung if on top or risk losing rungs or at any rung you will lose rungs. also if say rung number 20 loses to rung number 100 the 20 falls to rung 21 and the rung 100 goes halfway to 20 wich would be rung 60

i find that the ladder system is more fair and better agianst cheaters then the rating system. but the rating system will work with time when the highs are like 1800+

but with the end tourny it dont really matter that much though some people will have 4 or 5 names in the end tourny