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Method
02-28-2003, 07:15 AM
Many people have different opinions of TW Staff, here is mine.

Hosting

Many ERs are decent people who have hosting skills. They host a variety of events (not just one. ie: me) which is always a good thing. I havent witnessed any mess-ups in a while, which is nice to see. I would suggest that the current ERs try and put something unique into their events though, instead of hosting it strictly to the rules.
Example: In the tournaments I used to host I would sometimes make a note of all game results/kills/deaths for each round, and compile them quickly into macros and once the winners had been announced, show the Rankings to the arena so players could see what position they (and their partner) came and view their kills/deaths.
Also, add humor to events, everybody loves to laugh, and they will love you if you can make them laugh.
Sure there are a few ERs who messup more than others, but everyone makes mistakes and practise makes perfect.

Trench Wars Divisions

There is nothing wrong with this aspect of staff at all. Mythrandir/castro/2d have done a great job and the league has worked out perfectly in my opinion. As Foreign mentioned in the TWD Forum, I expect that TWD will dawn a new era of competitive playing.

Trench Wars League

I wasn't paying attention to TW in last seasons TWL, but from what I heard from people it was more or less run well, but needed a more 'fun' element to it, too serious some said. Anyway, I'm confident that this season will be the best yet. Congrats to Epi/2d/Push.

Recruitment

Noone really knows what gets a player his staff position. I got mine in 2001 when DUMBRIT! said "I want to see you on staff". And PoU recruited me soon after DB put my name forward. I was quite active, helpful, funny and I was a good player, maybe those elements make up a staff member? Not anymore.
It seems the people who are being recruited to staff are genuinely nice people, but without experience. A few new ZHs are unknown by most of TW and without their ZH tag, would be nobodies.

Axing Staff

Everyone who has been axed from staff has deserved (http://www.petitiononline.com/2w3e4r5t/petition-sign.html?) it.

Player/Staff Relationships

I've been told that the ZHs are the friendliest of staffers and the smods need to lighten up a little and communicate with the public more.

Well I'm pretty much bored of typing now. More soon

warportal
02-28-2003, 08:28 AM
what really bothers me is that a lot of new staffers change their names when they get their tag. This should simply NOT be allowed.

Acid Tank
02-28-2003, 08:36 AM
Moved: TW Staff (http://www.trenchwars.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=4)

Downdraft
02-28-2003, 10:03 AM
Originally posted by Method
A few new ZHs are unknown by most of TW and without their ZH tag, would be nobodies.



tru tru. there is also 1 think that is very clear to me and to some other players: those who get in staff are the ones who friends in there already. if a player is actually good to be staff and he doesnt suck up staff members he will NEVER get in staff. on the other hand ppl may be recommended by their friends but this doesnt mean they will be actually good staff members.

just my thoughts

Verthanthi
02-28-2003, 01:17 PM
As I understand it, a lot of people are getting staff through twdev connections. Why?

ZeUs!!
02-28-2003, 02:45 PM
Originally posted by warportal
what really bothers me is that a lot of new staffers change their names when they get their tag. This should simply NOT be allowed.
Amen, I didn't allow it in TWLeagues

Jason
02-28-2003, 06:59 PM
Originally posted by Verthanthi
As I understand it, a lot of people are getting staff through twdev connections. Why? TWDev? You mean 2d and Myth? (I suppose you should throw castro in there too.) I do see what you're saying though. A lot of people are getting on staff with the promise that they'll help out in the dev department, yet it seems to me all the work is still being done by the same few individuals.

Epinephrine
02-28-2003, 09:53 PM
Recruiting for staff is sort of like recruiting for a squad. If you've ever ran a squad that was less newbie than squads which recruit basically anyone you'll know what I'm talking about.

It's simply impossible to know absolutely everyone in TW. It's not a matter of sucking up, but just being known to the people who do hiring.

There are many ways to get known to people who hire.
1) Be on their squad.
2) Be their friend.
3) Be famous because of your skill or your posting a lot here.
4) Sucking up.

Now seeing that list we can basically run through. Most people who are famous because of skill have at one point or another been on staff. Those who haven't are because they aren't the type of people who staff would want or would like to join anyway.

As for the rest, that's how staff recruits, it's also how any decent squad recruits. Why would you recruit random people? Of course you recruit people you know. Sometimes there are people you don't know too well but know of who are good and you recruit them too. And that's how it works.

Currently any staff member can recommend new staff. The smods though are the only ones who can officially recommend (i.e. gets written down). And then the deans of staff pick the ones who were recommended from whatever factors they choose. This includes how active this player is. How mature this player is. And how responsible this player is. Many people are given a chance, and many people quit after they get hired. Those who stay on and do a good job get promoted to ER and then Mod.

You recruit who you know because you can trust people you know. Because you don't get paid for it, and because there are no real consequences of doing a bad job, it's not feasible to allow people to apply and do many many interviews to find the best people when they can easily just lie on the interview and turn out corrupt :)

Many of the "best" players are already on staff or have been before and don't want to rejoin. Because of this, a lot of newer players are on staff. In fact newer players are better for staff anyway because they don't care that they have to change their names to ER or ZH name and that they have to do a lot of work. Older players meanwhile want to immediately be mods, but since they can't, they never join or quit easily.

It's quite simple. If you can think of a better system, then propose one. And do keep in mind that the people who hire staff (THE PUSHER and YoMama!!) are players too. They don't get paid for this, so they're not going to interview every player in TW and spec endlessly to find people.

-Epi

Downdraft
03-01-2003, 08:37 AM
my point, epi, is that ppl who are known in tw by skill or something else aren't always mature and responsable enough to be a staff member. And like i said to pusher once, joining a squad just to become staff or get promoted is simply...well, not the best way to do it i think.

As u can clearly see now, yes, i want to be a staff member. Have been trying for more then a year now. And to be very very honest, i do think i can be a good staff member ( my goal is to host events and have as much fun as i can have ). But knowing like 3/4 staff members just isnt enough. And im not joining another squad with a lot of staffers just to get in.

To be very honest, i can't tell u a better recruting system. However, i think that opinions should be heard to try and make things better.

ZeUs!!
03-01-2003, 04:30 PM
Edit: I'm a spastic.

ZeUs!!
03-01-2003, 04:30 PM
Originally posted by Epinephrine
Recruiting for staff is sort of like recruiting for a squad. If you've ever ran a squad that was less newbie than squads which recruit basically anyone you'll know what I'm talking about.

It's simply impossible to know absolutely everyone in TW. It's not a matter of sucking up, but just being known to the people who do hiring.

There are many ways to get known to people who hire.
1) Be on their squad.
2) Be their friend.
3) Be famous because of your skill or your posting a lot here.
4) Sucking up.
5) Be a smod in an affiliate league that is run from another zone and do all the sysops bloody work for them and hope the affiliate league merges with TW.

Verthanthi
03-01-2003, 07:38 PM
Originally posted by Jason
TWDev? You mean 2d and Myth? (I suppose you should throw castro in there too.) I do see what you're saying though. A lot of people are getting on staff with the promise that they'll help out in the dev department, yet it seems to me all the work is still being done by the same few individuals.

I mean Vehicle, and I assume that's how Late/Acid Tank got onto staff...

Blast
03-01-2003, 08:34 PM
Acid Tank was chosen explicitly for his forum moderating ability.

Nickname
03-01-2003, 09:02 PM
I'm going to agree with Blast.

Verthanthi
03-01-2003, 09:18 PM
Y'all have my number on that one. My bad.

Nickname
03-01-2003, 09:23 PM
Witness 4 ZH

Louis XV
03-01-2003, 09:28 PM
Originally posted by Epinephrine
Many of the "best" players are already on staff or have been before and don't want to rejoin. Because of this, a lot of newer players are on staff.

this is a very valid point

pv=nrt
03-02-2003, 02:27 AM
seeing as i am one of the few people here with the ability to see outside and detect instant stupidity. i should be given last say on staffers.


do i want to be staff? absolutely not.
did i want to be asked to staff?
yep, i need an ego boost. doing macros in all caps just isnt doing it any more.

wadi
03-02-2003, 06:44 AM
pv, will you join my staff? We have no powers, no titles, and we don't hold any meetings or give you any business cards, but me and the crew woulde really appreciate you joining.

PM me soon would you?

Galleleo
03-02-2003, 07:35 AM
Originally posted by Downdraft
As u can clearly see now, yes, i want to be a staff member. Have been trying for more then a year now. And to be very very honest, i do think i can be a good staff member ( my goal is to host events and have as much fun as i can have ). But knowing like 3/4 staff members just isnt enough. And im not joining another squad with a lot of staffers just to get in.

My thoughts exactly :)

Dim
03-02-2003, 09:58 AM
It does help to have alot of staff friends etc, But if your active alot, im sure youll get noticed.

Tobe
03-02-2003, 02:11 PM
Originally posted by dimboy2
It does help to have alot of staff friends etc, But if your active alot, im sure youll get noticed.

No, or you could ask just one staff friend to recomend you, the you get staff. Thats all i did.

ZH - Sucks, because even the people who have power over the matchbot have more power then you. (Zone Hoe)

ER - Sucks, because you're expected to host, which sucks even if you may think its fun.

Mod - Fun, you dont do anything and you have power throughout the whole zone and you get bang. (Or if your an ER and you suckup u can get bang, *COUGH* wing)

Downdraft
03-02-2003, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by Tobe

ER - Sucks, because you're expected to host, which sucks even if you may think its fun.



being ER sucks? why?

Zeb Sent
03-02-2003, 04:31 PM
For obvious reasons Downraft,
Imagine you wanna log for 20 minutes to play some elim or just to chat before you go to the movies.
You log on and immediately get spammed with people who want you to host something, who want to complain about something or just to harass you (go figure),
It's not so much fun.

Obviously it is fun hosting and stuff but it has its bad sides as well.

Night,
Anton.

ConcreteSchlyrd
03-02-2003, 05:03 PM
Zeb called it. For instance, this is the normal life of an ER:

;2;Concrete <ER>>
2:bloodzomb> hey conc, what's new?
;2;Concrete <ER>> not much, just looking for Mu... was trying to send him an album
2:bloodzomb> kickass
(AzNSnIP3R117) host tourney?
;2;Concrete <ER>> oh dear
(JoHNNY423) tourny?
(DBZRULZ) hey conc buddy, how about some tourney?
(Light4Champs) TOURNEY! HOST TOURNY!
(RandomKillAH!) trny plz?!?!?!
;2;Concrete <ER>> for the love of christ
(DBZRULZ) COMON
(DBZRULZ) I've only played tourny like 4 times today!!
(DBZRULZ) COMON
(JoHNNY423) hello?
(DaNumBA4SHOCKA) can I be mod?
(DBZRULZ) HELLO? COMON
: DBZRULZ: Sorry buddy, just logged in for a second to look for someone. Maybe later.
(DBZRULZ) What? but I want tourny NOW!!!111!!1
: DBZRULZ: Really sorry, kinda busy right now. I'll be back in about an hour though where I can do some hosting.
(DBZRULZ) COMON
(DBZRULZ) COMON
(Light4Champs) any chance for some tourny? I love mindless games.
(DBZRULZ) COMON
(DBZRULZ) FINE! YOU SUCK AND I HATE YOU!
: DBZRULZ: Fantastic.

Downdraft
03-02-2003, 06:05 PM
Originally posted by Zeb Sent
For obvious reasons Downraft,
Imagine you wanna log for 20 minutes to play some elim or just to chat before you go to the movies.
You log on and immediately get spammed with people who want you to host something, who want to complain about something or just to harass you (go figure),
It's not so much fun.

Obviously it is fun hosting and stuff but it has its bad sides as well.

Night,
Anton.

a staffer is a staffer no matter how you see it. if it's needed to get a game hosted then it's done. if not they play like the rest of the ppl. at least that's the way i see it

Fit of Rage
03-02-2003, 07:06 PM
Downdraft, hosting is sort of like getting something you really want. Like a new toy when you were little. When you opened it up on Christmas day it was the best thing that had ever happened to you! But then, after a while, it winds up sitting in your corner as the last thing on your to-do list. I can understand how some staffers would get really tired of it, really fast [referring to Conc's log post].

Acid Tank
03-03-2003, 01:37 AM
Originally posted by Verthanthi
I mean Vehicle, and I assume that's how Late/Acid Tank got onto staff...
I am not on TW staff, I am only a forum moderator.

PS. I have been in TWDev so long as it have been and I am still not on staff, and I am on Paladen and I am not on staff. Joining to TWDev does not mean that you get on staff..

Epinephrine
03-03-2003, 03:38 AM
Hosting can be fun if you like hosting :P For a lot of people it gets to be like work.

Before TWD was invented last year, being the only other mod on my squad and since I was the captain, basically everytime I logged on I had to host pracs for my squad. Man it was like work :P Nothing like a long day of school and then going online and getting asked to host pracs for 2 hours :P

-Epi

BLeeN
03-03-2003, 06:40 AM
Life made easier huh?

I don't see twister being hosted anymore :p

Dim
03-03-2003, 12:03 PM
Tobe, Maybe you didnt find ZH or ER fun. cus u r an ass.

ZeUs!!
03-03-2003, 01:04 PM
Originally posted by Zeb Sent
For obvious reasons Downraft,
Imagine you wanna log for 20 minutes to play some elim or just to chat before you go to the movies.
You log on and immediately get spammed with people who want you to host something, who want to complain about something or just to harass you (go figure),
It's not so much fun.

Obviously it is fun hosting and stuff but it has its bad sides as well.

Night,
Anton.
?away Afk

Dim
03-03-2003, 02:33 PM
Bah, Most people just spam ?help HOST HOCKEY

:p

KrynetiX
03-03-2003, 04:52 PM
"It seems the people who are being recruited to staff are genuinely nice people, but without experience. A few new ZHs are unknown by most of TW and without their ZH tag, would be nobodies."



most of you dont know who i am :p

i got recruited because i am a good twdev member i guess

i dont have any staff freinds and i dont talk to them let alone suck up

and im verry experienced
im one of the head sysops in sscx redstar, as well as many other small zones i help out with their development


(kryn <ZH>)

Nickname
03-03-2003, 05:13 PM
Originally posted by ConcreteSchlyrd

: DBZRULZ: Fantastic.

Thats great

Tigerex
03-03-2003, 05:40 PM
Any staff member who uses their staff tag on the forums or mentions that they are a staff member somewhere in their own signiture should be axed for being egotistical glory hunters who clearly are only in staff to try and gain a moral advantage over other members of the Trench Wars population. If you are a good staff member you don't need to tell everyone that you are staff because they will already know. Also everyone who said that being a ZH and an ER sucked was half right. True the amount of work you do and the abuse you get and all that does suck but with hindsight i suppose once you're a mod you can see that...oh hang on i was right the first time, it honestly sucked.

The Sacrifice of being a tagged staff member is worth it for the badass vigilantee cheater hunting shit you get to do as a mod.

Variable
03-04-2003, 06:06 AM
Originally posted by Tigerex
Any staff member who uses their staff tag on the forums or mentions that they are a staff member somewhere in their own signiture should be axed for being egotistical glory hunters who clearly are only in staff to try and gain a moral advantage over other members of the Trench Wars population. If you are a good staff member you don't need to tell everyone that you are staff because they will already know. Also everyone who said that being a ZH and an ER sucked was half right. True the amount of work you do and the abuse you get and all that does suck but with hindsight i suppose once you're a mod you can see that...oh hang on i was right the first time, it honestly sucked.

The Sacrifice of being a tagged staff member is worth it for the badass vigilantee cheater hunting shit you get to do as a mod.


http://forums.trenchwars.org/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=146#post2519

Hmm, I guess you have changed

froggerboy2000
03-04-2003, 10:35 AM
I do want to mention one other thing, it seems to me that most of the time when i talk to my friends on staff a lot of them are in college and dont have a lot of time. I think that they should just let more people who are like in high school and have more time on their hands. This would allow the people who are in college to focus more on their academics whilst staying on staff but they wont have to worry as much about the game because they know that other people are taking care of the people online. Although i admit there are some very immature people *cough*Maisoul*cough* online sometime and they have to take in consideration what other people think about them.

Tigerex
03-04-2003, 11:18 AM
or maybe i'm just an utter hypocrit ;)

Nickname
03-04-2003, 11:39 AM
I assume you mean dimboy tiger? The kid is only 12. Also, he asked telcat to pose naked for him in an underage pornographic photo so he can masterbate. GREAT STAFF MEMBER.

KrynetiX
03-04-2003, 12:03 PM
Originally posted by Krynetix
(kryn <ZH>) [/B]



if you mean me tiger, most people dont know krynetix = kryn...

Dim
03-04-2003, 02:10 PM
Originally posted by Kookie
I assume you mean dimboy tiger? The kid is only 12. Also, he asked telcat to pose naked for him in an underage pornographic photo so he can masterbate. GREAT STAFF MEMBER.

I'm 13, And someone takes my posts too seriously.

froggerboy2000
03-04-2003, 03:10 PM
thats not who i mean I just mean people in general not anyone in particular *cough* MaisouL *cough* It just seems to me that a lot of these people are too busy to host or stuff:)

Nickname
03-04-2003, 06:27 PM
Originally posted by dimboy2
I'm 13, And someone takes my posts too seriously.

Oh please, so if she sent you photos of her naked you wouldn't spray cum all over England?

pv=nrt
03-05-2003, 03:16 AM
kooks, you know he hasn't had the talk yet. he doesnt know what you are talking about.


also i like how every new zh is posting here to clarify about having their tag in their forum name somewhere.

Tigerex
03-05-2003, 04:13 AM
hehehe

-TIGEREX <- I'M A MOD OH YEH BABY! LOOK AT ME AND MY MODERATION SKILL! Ph33R Newbies!!!!!!

Acid Tank
03-05-2003, 07:55 AM
Originally posted by Tigerex
hehehe

-TIGEREX <- I'M A MOD OH YEH BABY! LOOK AT ME AND MY MODERATION SKILL! Ph33R Newbies!!!!!!
Tigersex you own :) lol

KrynetiX
03-05-2003, 09:13 AM
Originally posted by pv=nrt
also i like how every new zh is posting here to clarify about having their tag in their forum name somewhere.



ha, haha

Acid Tank
03-05-2003, 10:29 AM
Originally posted by pv=nrt
also i like how every new zh is posting here to clarify about having their tag in their forum name somewhere.
Not all, example Krynetix.. :p

Method
03-05-2003, 11:54 AM
Originally posted by dimboy2
I'm 13, And someone takes my posts too seriously.

didnt they add the age restriction to staff?
i remember that issue was discussed on the old forums, i guess it didnt happen

Dim
03-05-2003, 01:13 PM
Obviously not.

Acid Tank
03-05-2003, 01:34 PM
Originally posted by Method
didnt they add the age restriction to staff?
i remember that issue was discussed on the old forums, i guess it didnt happen
Tought there were an age limit...

Dim
03-05-2003, 02:46 PM
Well I'm here :p

Cops
03-06-2003, 02:21 AM
We need a Tournament marathon .... if someone will donate 100$ dollars to DoCk> I am sure I can arrange one :D

Method
03-06-2003, 04:52 AM
Originally posted by Cops
We need a Tournament marathon .... if someone will donate 100$ dollars to DoCk> I am sure I can arrange one :D

i once did a tri-tourny.

tournament -> javtourny -> sptourny all after each other.

what a waste of a day. kekeke

adam
03-08-2003, 08:28 AM
dimboy is the new lil romeo in tw

Dim
03-08-2003, 09:22 AM
$

Acid Tank
03-08-2003, 10:18 AM
Originally posted by dimboy2
$ :p

Dim
03-08-2003, 11:26 AM
:)

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