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  • Appeal: Paddington vs. Kamikaze

    We are officially appealing the Paddington vs Kamikaze TWDTB matchup due to illegal players added at the beginning of the game pressure/wax. Game was void when they entered the game regardless of anything after that.

    Scenario

    Game started with Paddington having 8v6 kamikaze. All is well until kamikaze adds Pressure(8* player who is not even in TWDTB) and wax (7*) player on another team. They proceed to comeback and take the lead. Meanwhile, Rui (uprise on kamikaze is in spec not being put in. Mad jack lagouts and leaves us 8v7. So,a couple minutes go by and I sub in Rui for mad jack. A 6* for a 6* as skatarius does not sub him in for one of his high * subs. Rui goes 1-2 before he is subbed out for mad jack's return. Kamikaze proceeds to win.

    The problem with this is Illegal subs, wax/pressure, which are too high of subs to be put in, also pressure not even in twdt.. This should result in a Forfeit. One could say I made an illegal sub by adding Rui for 30 secs, but the truth is he is a 6* and on the bench for other team and not getting added, while the team he is on doesn't sub him in. This makes him fair game for a sub or if Skat says no subbing him in, then I say no subbing in Pressure/wax (that I did not agree to) and as we started the game with a legal line and they did not, we also win there too.

    Please add win for Paddington
    Last edited by Tiny; 02-14-2016, 08:59 PM.
    1:waven> u challenge
    1:waven> if i challenge it looks too scary

    Originally posted by MHz
    Hope you contract ebola from your, no doubt cheap, Easter Egg, you fucking shit-jav, pug-faced cunt.

  • #2
    paadington u guys cheat vs silence in jd but we not complain
    https://twd.trenchwars.org/showgame/90112596

    Retired after i dropped 24 kills and carry the team

    wbduel Map Maker Legend

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    • #3
      Originally posted by 2pac View Post
      paadington u guys cheat vs silence in jd but we not complain
      If by cheat u mean Crush, then you are correct.
      1:waven> u challenge
      1:waven> if i challenge it looks too scary

      Originally posted by MHz
      Hope you contract ebola from your, no doubt cheap, Easter Egg, you fucking shit-jav, pug-faced cunt.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Tiny View Post
        If by cheat u mean Crush, then you are correct.
        you done traded half ur draft thats cheatz
        https://twd.trenchwars.org/showgame/90112596

        Retired after i dropped 24 kills and carry the team

        wbduel Map Maker Legend

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        • #5
          The game in question:

          Code:
          Result of Kamikaze vs. Paddington: 15:00 - 8:22
          ,---------------------------------+------+------+-----------+------+------+-----+-----------+----.
          |                               K |    D |   TK |    Points |   FT |  TeK | RPD |    Rating | LO |
          |                          ,------+------+------+-----------+------+------+-----+-----------+----+
          | Kamikaze                /   472 |  420 |   14 |     96146 |   16 |    8 | 510 |     82307 |  2 |
          +------------------------'        |      |      |           |      |      |     |           |    |
          |  Cloth                       78 |   47 |    0 |     15393 |    2 |    2 |     |     13502 |  1 |
          |  cyrus                       80 |   37 |    0 |     13860 |    1 |    1 |     |     15367 |  0 |
          |  Jimbei                      75 |   49 |    0 |     15165 |    0 |    0 |     |     13739 |  1 |
          |  Morph                       19 |   91 |    3 |      5598 |    5 |    1 | 2.8 |     -1659 |  0 |
          |  nosydawg                    87 |   57 |    0 |     15760 |    2 |    2 |     |     18502 |  0 |
          |  Pressure                    32 |   14 |    0 |      9128 |    0 |    1 | 2.0 |     10455 |  0 |
          |  skatarius                   83 |   42 |    0 |     15470 |    0 |    0 |     |     17347 |  0 |
          |  Wax                         18 |   83 |   11 |      5772 |    6 |    1 | 2.9 |     -4946 |  0 |
          +---------------------------------+------+------+-----------+------+------+-----+-----------+----+
          |                          ,------+------+------+-----------+------+------+-----+-----------+----+
          | Paddington              /   406 |  488 |   16 |     47443 |   16 |    5 | 554 |     17733 |  1 |
          +------------------------'        |      |      |           |      |      |     |           |    |
          |  24                          11 |   97 |   11 |      2514 |    6 |    0 | 2.7 |     -2201 |  0 |
          |  Best                       104 |   55 |    0 |     10863 |    1 |    0 |     |     15282 |  1 |
          |  Conspiracy                  10 |   99 |    5 |      2283 |    4 |    0 | 2.9 |     -1055 |  0 |
          |  Holy Ship                   77 |   69 |    0 |      7761 |    1 |    1 |     |      3570 |  0 |
          |  inmate                      63 |   60 |    0 |      6552 |    1 |    2 |     |      2856 |  0 |
          |  jerome                      71 |   47 |    0 |      6520 |    1 |    1 |     |      6008 |  0 |
          |  mad jack the pirat          48 |   51 |    0 |      6466 |    1 |    0 |     |      1412 |  0 |
          |  Rui                          1 |    2 |    0 |       203 |    0 |    0 |     |         0 |  0 |
          |  Tiny                        21 |    8 |    0 |      4281 |    1 |    1 |     |     -8139 |  0 |
          `---------------------------------+------+------+-----------+------+------+-----+-----------+----'
          Kamikaze wins this game!
          The decision will come to whether to replay the match during Week 6 @ 4:30pm EST, or to award Tiny the victory. These are the only two outcomes I'm considering.

          Skatarius blatantly cheated abusing the unlocked bots and adding Pressure, who isn't even in TWDT. Moreover, he illegally borrowed a 7-Star player in Wax.

          Ordinarily, this would be a cut-and-dry forfeit and Tiny would be awarded the win.

          The issue is that after Skatarius illegally added two players, Tiny had a lagout and subbed in Rui, who is a low-star player -- the problem is that he is on Skatarius's team. You're not supposed to borrow enemy team's players, it's a conflict of interest and I've told captains not to do it.

          This is further complicated, however, as that part of the borrowing rule is not specifically written into the Rules page. It's known, and I've said not to do it, but I forgot to include it in the rules section.

          Pressure and Wax played the full game, while Rui went 1-2 and was in for less than a minute. Do infringements on both sides constitute having the game replayed? Do the Wax and Rui adds cancel each other out, leaving the egregious addition of Pressure as a starter when he's not even in the league, meaning we should award Tiny the win?

          This is a complicated and convoluted situation, and I don't know the correct answer to those questions.

          I'm probing several players for their opinions and getting feedback, and I'll have a decision by Monday at the latest.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Claushouse View Post
            Playing down a man counts as 5-Stars. Playing down two is a forfeit. Congratulations to the two Captains who tried to get around star limits by playing down a man last year and forcing me to make this rule, I applaud your creativity.


            Another reason for forfeit
            1:waven> u challenge
            1:waven> if i challenge it looks too scary

            Originally posted by MHz
            Hope you contract ebola from your, no doubt cheap, Easter Egg, you fucking shit-jav, pug-faced cunt.

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            • #7
              There's also a timeline consideration, where Tiny had a legal 8-man team in, while Skatarius added players illegally. If we deem the game declared forfeit at the point of entry of either Pressure or Wax, then is Tiny later on subbing in Rui relevant?
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              • #8
                I am all for a replay just to avoid the bad blood. That being said I am pretty sure the game started out 8v6 and just got more ridiculous from there.

                Lotta complications- Host was playing I think, Tiny didn't immediately tell us to spec and in the past continuing to play has been seen as condoning the game, and added Rui. On the flip side Kami was down 2 players and made illegal add/subs

                I think we could take 'em in a replay!!!!
                NOSTALGIA IN THE WORST FASHION

                internet de la jerome

                because the internet | hazardous

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                • #9
                  If anyone has the logs from the game, that would be helpful.
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                  • #10
                    Jerome, you haven't left the dtb arena, can you scroll up and take a screenshot of when pressure/wax were added and mad jack subbed in/out?
                    1:waven> u challenge
                    1:waven> if i challenge it looks too scary

                    Originally posted by MHz
                    Hope you contract ebola from your, no doubt cheap, Easter Egg, you fucking shit-jav, pug-faced cunt.

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                    • #11
                      I've sat down with Turban/Ogron and had him attempt to help me with enabling settings on my laptop. Long story short, logs are not accessible. That being said. let me say first of all that I am on Paddington and was playing in this match. We (staff) were scrambling to find hosts for the TWDT basing matches and i volunteered to host our match since I was going to be playing in it anyways. The match did start 8v6 in favor of Paddington. Pressure/Wax were added to this game well before Rui was subbed in. By looking at the scores, you can tell that Rui was added after the fact that of pressure/wax unless he blatantly didnt add his own teamate, which would also be a direct violation of rules.
                      Attacks> Steph with that Goth anger from when she was 16 ;)

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                      • #12
                        Why would I sub Rui in for one of my own players when we were up 8v6, the answer is, we wouldn't. Its obvious that pressure/wax were already in game when this happened, bc we would have played 7v6. Once those two entered the game, it was over. Rui was of no significance
                        1:waven> u challenge
                        1:waven> if i challenge it looks too scary

                        Originally posted by MHz
                        Hope you contract ebola from your, no doubt cheap, Easter Egg, you fucking shit-jav, pug-faced cunt.

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                        • #13
                          I got the log, lemme edit out my priv chats
                          NOSTALGIA IN THE WORST FASHION

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                          because the internet | hazardous

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                          • #14
                            Code:
                            9:Tiny> DTB2
                            9:Tiny> DTB2
                            9:Tiny> DTB2
                            9:Tiny> DTB2
                            9:Tiny> DTB2
                            9:Tiny> DTB2
                            9:Tiny> DTB2
                            Welcome to Trench Wars Draft Tournament
                             MatchBot3> Welcome to TWDT-B, Teams: Kamikaze vs. Paddington. We are currently arranging lineups.
                            jerome in for Paddington with ship 3
                             MatchBot3> You've been put in the game.
                            mad jack the pirat in for Paddington with ship 3
                             skatarius> y u have so bad turnout tiny
                                    24> let's destroy them
                            Best in for Paddington with ship 3
                             skatarius> is ur team ded
                                    24> nobody cares about basing
                                    24> on this team
                            cyrus in for Kamikaze with ship 3
                                  Tiny> A^
                            Pressure in for Kamikaze with ship 3
                             Holy Ship> i do :(
                            Pressure (3) and skatarius (5) switched ships.
                                    24> gotem
                            mad jack t> changing res brb
                            Reward: 200 points
                            NOTICE: 1 minute remaining.
                                inmate> they have enuf?
                                jerome> ofc im finally here n they gna forfeit
                                    24> y u have so bad turnout skat
                            skatarius (3) and Pressure (5) switched ships.
                                jerome> fuckin out mvp'd my bro on thursday im so rdy for this
                            Reward: 200 points
                            Time is up. Rosters are OK.
                            Both teams are ready, game starts in 30 seconds
                            Blueout has been enabled. Staff, please enable the !power command or do not speak in public chat.
                            mad jack t> what is the attach button?
                                  Tiny> LOL
                                jerome> a
                            Conspiracy> esc
                            Go go go!
                            Pressure changed from ship 3 to ship 8
                            Reward: 200 points
                            Reward: 200 points
                                  Tiny> what u die from
                            Wax in for Kamikaze with ship 3
                            Pressure (8) and skatarius (5) switched ships.
                                  Tiny> LOL
                            Wax (3) and skatarius (8) switched ships.
                                  Tiny> these subs..
                                  Tiny> got 8* sub
                                  Tiny> and 7* sub
                                  Tiny> sweeet
                            Reward: 200 points
                                    24> gotem
                            Reward: 200 points
                                    24> shit
                            Conspiracy> lol
                                jerome> BOOM
                                  Best> LOL
                                  Best> slammin these kids
                                inmate> got em
                            Reward: 200 points
                                jerome> ????????????
                                jerome> lol
                                  Best> LOL
                            Conspiracy> under
                                    24> doa
                                  Best> get out
                                  Best> of there
                            Conspiracy> go out
                                    24> damn 
                                  Tiny> oh come on
                                  Best> dont go in ear
                                  Best> gj
                                  Best> LOL
                                jerome> omg
                                  Best> sigh
                            Conspiracy> lets calm down they ez
                                    24> cong
                                    24> with me
                            Conspiracy> 
                            Conspiracy> eew
                            Conspiracy> had to use else ded
                                    24> it went right into them
                                    24> for me
                                  Tiny> wtf
                                jerome> yeah me2
                                  Best> PUSH
                                  Best> PUSH
                                  Best> PUSH
                                  Best> PUSH
                                    24> fk
                                jerome> 
                            Conspiracy> puuuushhh
                                  Best> ioce
                                  Best> nice
                                jerome> ////
                            Conspiracy> WTF?
                                  Tiny> LOL
                            Reward: 200 points
                                  Best> lol
                                  Best> wow
                                jerome> 
                                jerome> ///
                            Conspiracy> under
                            Conspiracy> doa
                                  Best> sigh
                                  Best> ...
                                  Best> ...
                                  Best> ...
                                    24> 'SHDIF
                                  Best> ...
                                  Best> COME ON
                                  Best> worst fkn drops
                                  Best> ever
                            9:Tiny> sub in dtb2
                            mad jack the pirat has been substituted by Rui
                            6:Rui> Wtf
                                    24> GOTEM
                                    24> GO
                            6:Ravage> wut
                            6:Rui> tiny just added me to paddington twbdt
                            6:Ravage> lol
                            6:Rui> im on kamikaze
                            6:Ravage> he thinks ur someone else
                                jerome>  
                            Conspiracy> under
                            Conspiracy> under
                            Conspiracy> under
                            Conspiracy> under
                                    24> flag
                                    24> get that flag team
                            Rui has been substituted by mad jack the pirat
                            6:Rui> hahah
                            6:Rui> he subbed me back out
                                jerome> fkn skat
                            6:Rui> i was like wtf
                                jerome> whatever
                                  Best> ...
                            Conspiracy> ....
                                  Tiny> god damn guys
                            Conspiracy> lmao.
                            6:Rui> im so confused
                            Conspiracy> rly
                                    24> i didn't rep it
                            Kamikaze needs 3 mins of flag time to win
                            Conspiracy> lol 2x doa
                                  Best> lol
                            7:kado> yo stung
                            7:kado> high five my man
                            7:kado> 3.1rpd
                            7:stung> and a tek
                            7:stung> lol
                            7:kado> $
                                  Best> cmon
                                jerome> omfg
                                  Tiny> double td
                                    24> LOL CONPS
                                    24> YOU FUKING IDIOT
                            Kamikaze needs 1 minute of flag time to win
                                  Best> lol 
                            Reward: 200 points
                            Conspiracy> under
                            Conspiracy> owned
                                  Tiny> gj
                                    24> lol consp
                                  Best> u guys r dookie lol
                            Conspiracy> :D
                                  Best> jesus
                            Conspiracy> 5-0 to gg
                                  Best> we were up 5-0 lol
                            Blueout has been disabled. You can speak in public now.
                            Result of Kamikaze vs. Paddington: 15:00 - 8:22
                            ,---------------------------------+------+------+-----------+------+------+-----+-----------+----.
                            |                               K |    D |   TK |    Points |   FT |  TeK | RPD |    Rating | LO |
                            |                          ,------+------+------+-----------+------+------+-----+-----------+----+
                            | Kamikaze                /   472 |  420 |   14 |     96146 |   16 |    8 | 510 |     82307 |  2 |
                            +------------------------'        |      |      |           |      |      |     |           |    |
                            |  Cloth                       78 |   47 |    0 |     15393 |    2 |    2 |     |     13502 |  1 |
                            |  cyrus                       80 |   37 |    0 |     13860 |    1 |    1 |     |     15367 |  0 |
                            |  Jimbei                      75 |   49 |    0 |     15165 |    0 |    0 |     |     13739 |  1 |
                            |  Morph                       19 |   91 |    3 |      5598 |    5 |    1 | 2.8 |     -1659 |  0 |
                            |  nosydawg                    87 |   57 |    0 |     15760 |    2 |    2 |     |     18502 |  0 |
                            |  Pressure                    32 |   14 |    0 |      9128 |    0 |    1 | 2.0 |     10455 |  0 |
                            |  skatarius                   83 |   42 |    0 |     15470 |    0 |    0 |     |     17347 |  0 |
                            |  Wax                         18 |   83 |   11 |      5772 |    6 |    1 | 2.9 |     -4946 |  0 |
                            +---------------------------------+------+------+-----------+------+------+-----+-----------+----+
                            |                          ,------+------+------+-----------+------+------+-----+-----------+----+
                            | Paddington              /   406 |  488 |   16 |     47443 |   16 |    5 | 554 |     17733 |  1 |
                            +------------------------'        |      |      |           |      |      |     |           |    |
                            |  24                          11 |   97 |   11 |      2514 |    6 |    0 | 2.7 |     -2201 |  0 |
                            |  Best                       104 |   55 |    0 |     10863 |    1 |    0 |     |     15282 |  1 |
                            |  Conspiracy                  10 |   99 |    5 |      2283 |    4 |    0 | 2.9 |     -1055 |  0 |
                            |  Holy Ship                   77 |   69 |    0 |      7761 |    1 |    1 |     |      3570 |  0 |
                            |  inmate                      63 |   60 |    0 |      6552 |    1 |    2 |     |      2856 |  0 |
                            |  jerome                      71 |   47 |    0 |      6520 |    1 |    1 |     |      6008 |  0 |
                            |  mad jack the pirat          48 |   51 |    0 |      6466 |    1 |    0 |     |      1412 |  0 |
                            |  Rui                          1 |    2 |    0 |       203 |    0 |    0 |     |         0 |  0 |
                            |  Tiny                        21 |    8 |    0 |      4281 |    1 |    1 |     |     -8139 |  0 |
                            `---------------------------------+------+------+-----------+------+------+-----+-----------+----'
                            Kamikaze wins this game!
                              Pressure> rekt
                            MVP: nosydawg!
                                  Best> im the real mvp obv
                            Congrats to Kamikaze! See you next week! -inmate
                            NOSTALGIA IN THE WORST FASHION

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                            because the internet | hazardous

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                            • #15
                              first thing i can see is it looks like kami started out 8v7... but i distinctly remember seeing 8v6 so im guessing someone was in spec when i checked the lines. if you don't count pressure then it was definitely 8v6 as far as allowed players go
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