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Thread: possible double squadding in twd -- idea only at the moment

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    possible double squadding in twd -- idea only at the moment

    This is the basis of what i added to staff forums, its only an idea but after speaking to DEV is possible. I opened it up to staff to comment, but its important to get players input too, so thoughts please...




    Ok -- bare with me as i try to explain all of this.

    We add a toggle option for squads on the twd bot, !squad on, !squad off (poor commands but not important for this point)

    !squad on assigns the squad a value of 1
    !squad off assigns the squad a value of 0

    Players can join any squad they like with a value of 0, with no limit to number of squads, so if a squad is 1 player short to play, they can quickly recruit and play twd. This is recorded on twd site as now and a league is drawn up.

    Squads with value of 1 are competitive. They have a seperate league table which is only updated when they play another value 1 squad.

    So normal league all squads are in it, and all games, value 0 vs value 0, value 1vs value 0, value 0 vs value 1 updates this league table.

    twl qualification league, value 1 vs value 1 only.

    In terms of players -- Demonic can be registered for 1 value 1 squad and any # of value 0 squads. We could restrict number of value 0 if we really wanted too. When squad wants to go to value 1 and they toggle, roster is approved by twd op first and then accepted to make sure no players on 2 value 1 squads.

    This should mean twd activity dramatically improves as lets say we are 1 player short, i can recruit pure_luck to my value 0 squad to play in some twd games with us. In terms of new player squads, can have vets helping out as much as needed without leaving their value 1 squad. If a value 1 squad loses its players, can toggle down to 0 to recruit and keep going. Value 0 league will become more of a fun league compared to the slightly more competitive value 1.

    Too tired to put much more detail, but this is the basic theory. Its quite simple for bots, as its just an IF ELSE statement to check squad value on what table to update.

    Any thoughts/comments please put it down and dont just think it, i am also opening this up to the public for any refining ideas as they play in the twd and may think of other parts.
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    tl;dr

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    where is the tl;dr option?

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    While i remember let me add a couple of elements considered but cant implement

    () couple of casual squads only --- would involve complete web and bot re-write. ie. wont happen anytime im still alive
    () Allow a select few players to DS only -- who do u pick, not fair on others who want too as well, in terms of helping out newer squads
    () Monitor players not squads -- as #1 + twd ops couldnt cope with monitoring squads during twl.
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    It sounds like a ?go base/javduel/wbduel. I feel like players would end up squadjoined to all of the value 0 squads and there would be games whenever a random group of 8-12 people logged on. Which I guess might not be a bad thing.

    How about instead you allow the current squads to recruit ~2 players for the duration of 1 game and the match would not count towards TWD stats (or perhaps a second ladder)? So, for a BD, if two squads only have 4 then they can get 4 players from other squads and play a 6v6. To me that makes more sense than a whole second sub-system of squads.
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    Da fuq I just read?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gran guerrero View Post
    where is the tl;dr option?
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    tl;dr
    I don't know who you think you are - and please excuse my language - but complete idiots like you drag this forum into shit and make this place and the game worthless, even more being a staffer in the zone trying to make it run as smooth as possible.

    While Demonic is trying a huge and brave balancing act between our rock solid twd rules and some players suggestions that's all you've got to say? Get your shit and braincells together.

    The idea: Demonic, I've read through it 3 times and I'm still not quite understanding the concept, there is too many gaps and questions popping into my head regarding it. I'm really tired atm. I'm going to comment on it later on.


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    Here's the tl:dr for ya:
    There will be the normal TWD ladder, and a Casual TWD ladder
    Players may join one Normal twd squad, but also be on the roster for a number of Casual Squads (I suggest limiting 2 Casual squads)
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    my vote was for it being a silly idea


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeebu View Post
    my vote was for it being a silly idea
    Thats fine, however you guys are the ones who want double squadding to "increase activity and allow to help new player squads", and this is the only way i can do it without affecting TWL qualification.
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    i think the offseason is for helping new players join squads. having new players that arent ready for the higher competition dont belong in twl. twd is a good way to get them ready for that, but not during twl qualifications.

    i think this double squadding business could turn into a mess with no games ever really counting towards anything. which i guess is fine during the offseason. if you only have it then, i dont see much of a problem. i dont think it should have much of a place during twl qualifications. we dont usually have issues with activity then, and if you do haveactivity issues, its yours and your squads fault, be more active.

    having the ability to double squad and have games that dont count will get abused during qualifications. i dont know how and i dont know to what effect, but it will happen. its just how we roll in this zone. squads wanting to make a league will have issues finding games that count for rating.


    in summary, i could care less about this as long as it isnt active during twl qualifications.


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    Quote Originally Posted by fiS View Post
    I don't know who you think you are - and please excuse my language - but complete idiots like you drag this forum into shit and make this place and the game worthless, even more being a staffer in the zone trying to make it run as smooth as possible.

    While Demonic is trying a huge and brave balancing act between our rock solid twd rules and some players suggestions that's all you've got to say? Get your shit and braincells together.

    The idea: Demonic, I've read through it 3 times and I'm still not quite understanding the concept, there is too many gaps and questions popping into my head regarding it. I'm really tired atm. I'm going to comment on it later on.
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    this would work just fine if only division 1 squads were allowed to compete in twl/ladders/etc
    poll is strangely divided about this, why would anyone be against this idea?
    it would allow more diversity in games, and it would allow individual players to play more often in a dying game, when they might not have had enough players to start a match
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    Quote Originally Posted by fiS View Post
    I don't know who you think you are - and please excuse my language - but complete idiots like you drag this forum into shit and make this place and the game worthless, even more being a staffer in the zone trying to make it run as smooth as possible.

    While Demonic is trying a huge and brave balancing act between our rock solid twd rules and some players suggestions that's all you've got to say? Get your shit and braincells together.

    The idea: Demonic, I've read through it 3 times and I'm still not quite understanding the concept, there is too many gaps and questions popping into my head regarding it. I'm really tired atm. I'm going to comment on it later on.
    u mad?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demonic View Post
    Too tired to put much more detail, but this is the basic theory.
    Quote Originally Posted by fiS View Post
    I'm really tired atm. I'm going to comment on it later on.
    Why do you people even bother posting if you are always to tired to comment in the first place?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiS View Post
    I don't know who you think you are
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    Quote Originally Posted by fiS View Post
    - and please excuse my language -
    You're excused.

    Now get out of my sight you fat ****** fuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roxxkatt View Post
    this would work just fine if only division 1 squads were allowed to compete in twl/ladders/etc
    poll is strangely divided about this, why would anyone be against this idea?
    it would allow more diversity in games, and it would allow individual players to play more often in a dying game, when they might not have had enough players to start a match
    Thats the general idea, basically if squad has a value of 1, ie. you did !squad on as the command, then this squad is in contention to qualify for TWL. This squad cant have any people double squadding with any other squad who also has a value of 1, ie. also competing towards TWL. If a TWD squad decides it is not going to compete in TWL, so !squad off then anyone can join this roster and staff dont check this squad for double squadders.

    We could limit players to 1 squad roster with value 1, and 1 value 0 etc etc.. but working those details out are really far down the line. The best way to show this would be:

    Squads: Pandora Penetrate
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    Siege Elite
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    Ok now only Fierce/light/Elusive and Siege are going to attempt to qualify for TWL, so in this case these squads have hit !squad on, and have a value of 1. All other squads have value of 0.
    Demonic can register for Fierce/light/elusive or siege, but can only be on one of these squads rosters not more then one. However Demonic can join any other roster in TWD as they have a value of 0. So i could be on Light/Tarragons and Lame for example, with only Light going for TWL. If Tarragons then decide to try to enter TWL, the type !squad on and a TWD OP needs to approve roster, so Demonic would have to be removed from roster before they are accepted.

    This leaves us 2 leagues, one with the squads with value 1 ---- so Light/Fierce/Elusive/Siege. Only games vs these squads will update this league.

    Then we have the normal league with ALL squads in it, including the TWL ones. So Light vs Pandora would update the value 0 league as one of the squads have a value of 0. Call the value 0 league a fun league if u wish, but only squads with value of 1 will be eligible to qualify for TWL. Hopefully this is a bit clearer then previous post.
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    just turn the whole system off for qualifications and i wouldnt care what happens. we do not suffer any drop in activity then and this would just add a useless complication during that time. while i doubt it would increase the overall number of games during hte qualification period, i would think that many of hte games would jsut suddenly not count. thats stupid.

    i am 100% on board with whatever you feel like doing provided it isnt active during twl qualifications.



    i think we can do without this multi squad whatnot during those few weeks where twd actually matters.


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