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    Keyboard layout

    GOAL: Make some alternate key configs. Leave default as-is.


    Why?

    The default keyboard layout, while it's what we're used to, has some severe disadvantages:


    • Many of the default keys are a bit awkward. For example, F7 to attach.
    • Many laptops have the F# keys swapped with special functions, meaning you have to press, say, Fn+F1 to send F1, and F1 by itself does something like mute the laptop's volume. This means F# keys in a key definition will cause problems for some players.
    • Many laptops scatter the Insert/Delete/Home/End/PgUp/PgDown keys all over.


    Because of this, it would be smart to include a few different keyboard layouts that people use, or think would make it easy for a new player to learn the game.

    Some layouts to consider:

    • Laptop-specific layouts (avoiding F# keys and Ins/Del/Home/End/PgUp/PgDn for important functions)
    • Mac-specific layouts
    • Newbie-focused layouts
    • Chat-breaking layouts that utilize some of the letters, in exchange for having Enter, Space or even T as the chat key (as is done in many online games)
    • Zone-specific or even zone-ship-specific layouts.


    Here is the current layout, and a blank layout. Please copy the blank layout and write in your own keys. If you'd prefer to think about it graphically, download the blank keyboard layout and label the keys.

    Code:
    TurnLeft     = Left
    TurnRight    = Right
    Forward      = Up
    Reverse      = Down
    Afterburners = Shift
    Bomb         = Tab
    Bullet       = Ctrl
    Mine         = Shift Tab
    Thor         = F6
    Multi        = Delete
    AntiWarp     = Shift End
    Stealth      = Home
    Cloak        = Shift Home
    XRadar       = End
    Repel        = Shift Ctrl
    Burst        = Shift Delete
    Warp         = Insert
    Portal       = Shift Insert
    Decoy        = F5
    Rocket       = F3
    Brick        = F4
    Attach       = F7
    Cycle        = F2
    PrevPlayer   = PgUp
    NextPlayer   = PgDown
    PrevPage     = Shift PgUp
    NextPage     = Shift PgDown
    PlaySpec     = F11
    Message      = 
    ViewMap      = Alt
    Macro1       = Shift F1
    Macro2       = Shift F2
    Macro3       = Shift F3
    Macro4       = Shift F4
    Macro5       = Shift F5
    Macro6       = Shift F6
    Macro7       = Shift F7
    Macro8       = Shift F8
    Macro9       = 
    Macro10      = 
    Macro11      = 
    Macro12      = 
    Macro13      = 
    Macro14      = 
    Macro15      = 
    Macro16      = 
    Macro17      = Shift F11
    Macro18      = Shift F12
    Macro19      = 
    Macro20      =
    Code:
    TurnLeft     = 
    TurnRight    = 
    Forward      = 
    Reverse      = 
    Afterburners = 
    Bomb         = 
    Bullet       = 
    Mine         = 
    Thor         = 
    Multi        = 
    AntiWarp     = 
    Stealth      = 
    Cloak        = 
    XRadar       = 
    Repel        = 
    Burst        = 
    Warp         = 
    Portal       = 
    Decoy        = 
    Rocket       = 
    Brick        = 
    Attach       = 
    Cycle        = 
    PrevPlayer   = 
    NextPlayer   = 
    PrevPage     = 
    NextPage     = 
    PlaySpec     = 
    Message      = 
    ViewMap      = 
    Macro1       = 
    Macro2       = 
    Macro3       = 
    Macro4       = 
    Macro5       = 
    Macro6       = 
    Macro7       = 
    Macro8       = 
    Macro9       = 
    Macro10      = 
    Macro11      = 
    Macro12      = 
    Macro13      = 
    Macro14      = 
    Macro15      = 
    Macro16      = 
    Macro17      = 
    Macro18      = 
    Macro19      = 
    Macro20      =
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    Last edited by qan; 01-23-2017 at 12:43 AM.
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    just leave it alone
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    quit changing shit to make it easier for "new players"

    if you change too many things i will not play anymore
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    Leave it alone

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    The fn+f keys should be changed. Both my laptops i had to change the settings on the laptops them self so i could play ss.
    But i didn't have trouble understanding and fixing the problem, because I've played ss for so long and knew right away what i needed to do to fix it.

    But must NEW players will probably not be able to fix the problem or wont care enough. And just quit the game minutes after installing continuum.

    SO YEAH CHANGE THE F KEYS!!! FN+F KEYS = MAKING NEWBS RAGE QUIT!!! IMO its a 100% must do, if you wanna attract new players and be successful on the launch.

    All the other keys are fine IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by olde View Post
    SO YEAH CHANGE THE F KEYS!!! FN+F KEYS = MAKING NEWBS RAGE QUIT!!! IMO its a 100% must do, if you wanna attract new players and be successful on the launch.
    If you (or anyone else reading this) has a suggestion for how to map them for an alternate config, would love to hear it. I need help. Won't work as a one-man operation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Leland View Post
    quit changing shit to make it easier for "new players"

    if you change too many things i will not play anymore
    Unless you're installing the game for the first time, and doing it from Steam, this won't actually affect you, so you don't need to worry about raging against the machine in this particular case. It's pretty unlikely we could all agree to change the default key config, anyhow. We're just talking about offering alternate configs already built that people can select, aside from the default.

    The first Steam launch had absolutely awful player retention rates. Pretty famously, this game only appeals to people who know how to use it already. If we want any chance at it continuing to survive, we do in fact have to make some small adjustments so that players don't ragequit instantly. If we decide to change absolutely nothing and relaunch again, we have no reason to expect different results than what happened last time -- close to 0% retention. If that's what's going to happen, we absolutely shouldn't relaunch.

    Note that if you do a 100% clean install (never installed Continuum on that computer before) via Steam right now, you can't even select a resolution! It's been that way since launch. I think we can all agree that's something that should be changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by olde View Post
    The fn+f keys should be changed. Both my laptops i had to change the settings on the laptops them self so i could play ss.
    But i didn't have trouble understanding and fixing the problem, because I've played ss for so long and knew right away what i needed to do to fix it.

    But must NEW players will probably not be able to fix the problem or wont care enough. And just quit the game minutes after installing continuum.

    SO YEAH CHANGE THE F KEYS!!! FN+F KEYS = MAKING NEWBS RAGE QUIT!!! IMO its a 100% must do, if you wanna attract new players and be successful on the launch.

    All the other keys are fine IMO.
    If you knew how to fix it and did it no problem, why don't we install an addon to the help files or make an automated message explaining what they need to do if they have an fn issue. There is hardly any room to play around with it. We already have a keyboard reset option in the game. I'm against changing the key configs myself... Instead add a message in the initial greeting log in about the fn issue that everyone logging in can see and also add it in the help files to combat this issue.

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    @jessup

    Well alot of people are not going to be willing to change the settings on there laptop for a game they never played. Or take the time to do so. I found out the only way to play ss on a laptop with the FN settings. Is to disable it in the computers settings completely. Which like i said most ppl wont be willing to do that.
    You need to understand, it makes simple things like leaving spec, changing a ship, and attaching. Very hard and annoying. Pretty much which ever keys there laptop has mapped as 2 things.

    @qan
    i know nothing about computers, so im afraid i cant help out on how to fix it. But i am giving you my input on how to make the launch successful. When i tryed playing SS on my new laptop i got so fkn annoyed with the FN keys. I almost uninstalled til i found out i could turn it off in my settings. But IF I was a NEW player i would have just quit the game and never logged back in. I think this is the most IMPORTANT thing that should be fixed before a launch....

    Followed by BIGGER bullets as default.
    Almost everyone plays on a larger resolution these days and im sure the new players will also. I dont know if anyone has tryed playing ss on a 1400 resolution or bigger without big bullet MODS, but it sucks and i would probly uninstall if i was new coming into trash like that.

    I gave you my info, what you do with it is on you, just trying to help out xD. YOU'RE DOING ONE HELL OF A JOB QAN +10000000. SS rides on your back!

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    Quote Originally Posted by qan View Post
    Code:
    Forward      = Up
    I like this part

    Quote Originally Posted by Jessup View Post
    If you knew how to fix it and did it no problem, why don't we install an addon to the help files or make an automated message explaining what they need to do if they have an fn issue. There is hardly any room to play around with it. We already have a keyboard reset option in the game. I'm against changing the key configs myself... Instead add a message in the initial greeting log in about the fn issue that everyone logging in can see and also add it in the help files to combat this issue.
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    Make there be default presets in the launcher? So have an old style preset (the current default one so old players can use that one) and a new style (the new one for new steam players) and also have an option for them to make their own presets. For the steam launcher, have the new preset the default one for when they enter the game.

    Screw the F keys (F3-7) instead, make it like Q to attach, s to rocket, things like that so they will all be around the shooting keys on the left, and to type, make it so you have to press enter first. Do this for the new players.
    The keyboard was made for your fingers to be on the letters, not the 1-9 F1-F9 keys, Nor the page up/down, end, home, (etc) keys. Make all of those keys be binded to letters.

    This is also especially easier to get used to, because games like WoW, League, all use letter keybinds, so it will be pretty easy for new players to get the hang of, if they play those types of games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banks
    Make there be default presets in the launcher? So have an old style preset (the current default one so old players can use that one) and a new style (the new one for new steam players) and also have an option for them to make their own presets.
    Yep, we should definitely have alternate ones available, even if they're not default (changing the default's probably a bad idea ... changed the OP to reflect).


    We *could* make a small install customizer that runs the first time only, and lets them select a keyboard config. Could display each config graphically to give them an idea, even if it's just in terms of keys used and not what does what. And after selecting a keyboard, it could also give basic instructions on how to create a profile and enter the game.


    Banks, if you want to take a stab at creating an alternate config that doesn't use crazy keys, would help a lot. Easiest way is to edit a new config in Continuum, then quit out, open KEYBOARD.DAT in Notepad or similar, and copy-paste into this thread. Totally agree about people being very used to the full keyboard style from just about every modern game. Strange they chose to use the awkward key combinations in SS instead of letters. I guess the one problem with letters is that if you get stuck in typing mode, you can't use some controls until you backspace it all or hit enter. But that's not quite as bad as not being able to attach, see the player list, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banks View Post
    Screw the F keys (F3-7) instead, make it like Q to attach, s to rocket, things like that so they will all be around the shooting keys on the left, and to type, make it so you have to press enter first. Do this for the new players.
    The keyboard was made for your fingers to be on the letters, not the 1-9 F1-F9 keys, Nor the page up/down, end, home, (etc) keys. Make all of those keys be binded to letters.

    This is also especially easier to get used to, because games like WoW, League, all use letter keybinds, so it will be pretty easy for new players to get the hang of, if they play those types of games.
    to build on this, when you use qwerty to bind stuff, you then have to press the space bar to chat, which is something else you find in modern games, having to press a key to type

    at the bare minimum, make 'a' attach. alot of people generally only re-map the shark and terr keys, but having the attach key between the ctrl/tab keys is super convenient no matter what ship you have, you can attach/detach and immediately pewpewpew
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerome Scuggs View Post
    to build on this, when you use qwerty to bind stuff, you then have to press the space bar to chat, which is something else you find in modern games, having to press a key to type

    at the bare minimum, make 'a' attach. alot of people generally only re-map the shark and terr keys, but having the attach key between the ctrl/tab keys is super convenient no matter what ship you have, you can attach/detach and immediately pewpewpew
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    I've created two keyboard configs, since nobody else was stepping up to do it.

    The standard config will remain, but these two will be included. If you have any ideas for tweaks, or see something that could be a serious issue, let me know. I'm planning on creating a small installer that will display the 3 configurations and let users choose between them when they first install.

    Both avoid use of F# keys, the special keys like PgUp/PgDown, and also don't include any two-key combos, such as Ctrl+Shift.

    I tried to arrange them as logically as possible. They're very similar.

    The Laptop config keeps the standard keys the same (Fire, Bomb, Map, etc), but just changes the special function keys. Warp is set to Space for easy warping.

    Laptop config: https://www.dropbox.com/s/tnyexb0m00...20kbd.png?dl=0

    The Modern config adopts some modern conventions. Space is Fire (the normal fire key in most space shooting games), Tab is Map, Ctrl is Bomb, Alt is Warp.

    Modern config: https://www.dropbox.com/s/zdy9jk7qes...20kbd.png?dl=0
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    Quote Originally Posted by qan View Post
    I've created two keyboard configs, since nobody else was stepping up to do it.
    Looks good. Thanks
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    https://www.dropbox.com/s/jgasradxfv...date3.png?dl=0

    Update after some more testing. , and . keys don't work very well. Hopefully [ and ] are fairly accessible on most laptop keyboards.

    Changes are to both Laptop and Modern configs, but Modern keeps Space as fire, etc.
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    Having macros set to numpad should be default for everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kontrolz View Post
    Having macros set to numpad should be default for everyone.
    Currently it's 6,7,8,9,0 and Shift+6,7,8,9,0 for Laptop and Modern. (The default config remains unchanged, because probably at least half of the people who return on Steam, perhaps more, are old players, and they'd be annoyed by a change to the default, as would a lot of people just on principle.) So technically you could use your numpad for that if you put on numlock. Note that a lot of people don't have a numpad, though, since desktop systems are becoming increasingly less common these days, even for """"gamers"""".
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    point 1: shift+ctrl blocks thrust+shoot
    point 2: after change theres nothing as good as that for repels
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    Quote Originally Posted by roxxkatt View Post
    point 1: shift+ctrl blocks thrust+shoot
    point 2: after change theres nothing as good as that for repels
    I've happily used Z for years. But I also understand that it's not quite as responsive. Still, if that's an issue someone would care about, I think they're already a vet, and would use their own config.
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