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    TSLB Matchmaking Issues

    So, we all know the bot has made some pretty bad teams, which often end up in complete rapes.

    But another issue is that people get benched so often, I'll use Cres as an example here. He signed up for like 4 TSLB games and got into 1 of them.

    The best solution I can come up with is preventing bot from benching the same people over and over, have some kind of limit on it.

    This is a league that is supposed to be somewhat inclusive - unlike, for example, TWDT, which really never was. New people won't ever get into basing if they're benched all the time. Another issue is the constant rage that some people direct at less competent players for mistakes, but I suppose not much can be done about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trasher View Post
    So, we all know the bot has made some pretty bad teams, which often end up in complete rapes.

    But another issue is that people get benched so often, I'll use Cres as an example here. He signed up for like 4 TSLB games and got into 1 of them.

    The best solution I can come up with is preventing bot from benching the same people over and over, have some kind of limit on it.

    This is a league that is supposed to be somewhat inclusive - unlike, for example, TWDT, which really never was. New people won't ever get into basing if they're benched all the time. Another issue is the constant rage that some people direct at less competent players for mistakes, but I suppose not much can be done about that.
    Right i'm going to say things exactly as they are, , we had large showings of players from public the first few TSL games, Good job at shouting at them because you can't handle losing and making them not bother again, (you the players know exactly who you are),secondly 8 of more or less the same players benched 3 games of basing in a row, People who played in all 3 of those games and wouldn't make way for other players, did you not at any point think perhaps its time someone else had a go? Trasher was the only one I saw do this.

    If you want to make a team where you win all the time play only 8v8 and play with the same players go put your name on the TWDT captain page, pick only your friends or people who are good and come back in the fall.

    Please respect other players around the zone regardless of skill level.
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    I would rather go 9vs9 or 10vs10 than 6vs6 or 7vs7. Could you just upper the limit of players in 1 game? Say 8vs8 is the standard but if there were some extra players we would turn the games into 9vs9 or 10vs10.
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    I wrote new drafting code last weekend. Thats with ogron and qan now.

    Having worked on the draft I can tell you it's important for balance that lower skill players are benched. The fewer number of higher skill players the harder it is to make x complete teams.

    As for benching.. we had one round of 6v6 6v6 6v6 7v7 but everyone wanted 8v8 8v8 8v8 instead, myself included. Imo dropping to 6s ruins it for everyone, so I'd rather bench a couple of people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rab View Post
    Having worked on the draft I can tell you it's important for balance that lower skill players are benched. The fewer number of higher skill players the harder it is to make x complete teams.

    As for benching.. we had one round of 6v6 6v6 6v6 7v7 but everyone wanted 8v8 8v8 8v8 instead, myself included. Imo dropping to 6s ruins it for everyone, so I'd rather bench a couple of people.
    Keep in mind, especially if we use individual ship ratings, the quality of the basing teams really will depend on both enough basers showing, and players (including lesser-knowns) being accurately rated. Both are hard to rely on. The first is luck, the second is a lot of effort.

    6s were indeed dropped recently.

    I wrote new drafting code last weekend. Thats with ogron and qan now.
    Willing to write it in Java? (Basically the same language as C# anyhow. Very simple to port.) Happy to set you up with the code. My time is a bit limited, at least at the moment. I might have more time coming soon, but can't make any big promises.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamwin
    I would rather go 9vs9 or 10vs10 than 6vs6 or 7vs7. Could you just upper the limit of players in 1 game? Say 8vs8 is the standard but if there were some extra players we would turn the games into 9vs9 or 10vs10.
    Actually a pretty interesting idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Trasher
    Another issue is the constant rage that some people direct at less competent players for mistakes, but I suppose not much can be done about that.
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    More than 8v8 would be shit because holding a cram would be too easy. First tek would win. It would require a different map.

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    Qan - yeah can do the port i guess, less familiar with Java but not totally alien.

    Whats the best way to communicate whatever I need to get started?

    I also still need the actual live ratings. It's essential that the ratings are per ship and that I can set correct calibration based on it being centigrade rather than stars.

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    Loool thix. You straight up trashed Helious for 20 minutes straight. You should be happy these players are even giving Basing a shot. I know I feel happy when I see the likes omega red struggling in my division. I give him encouragement alongside other squaddies.
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    This is absolutely ridiculous and an outrage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vys View Post
    Loool thix. You straight up trashed Helious for 20 minutes straight. You should be happy these players are even giving Basing a shot. I know I feel happy when I see the likes omega red struggling in my division. I give him encouragement alongside other squaddies.
    1:vys> you're doing great omega red
    1:Best> yeah man keep it up
    1:zidane> excellent work omega red.

    We all need to be more like fu inc. squad
    You're right I need to be more like this

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    It's not only TSLB that has the same people benching over and over.
    In the first weeks I saw in javs the same people getting benched as well. While people like Henry Saari has played all games they could (I only got benched once as well though). No one likes to bench... But when you have double of the game as most people, the bot should bench you more often. That's for two reasons, give others the chance to play and reach the 20 games quota. But also because someone with 50 games has a better oppurtinity to get 20 top ranked games than someone who only played 25 games.

    And about the even teams. I doubt the bot will ever succeed in it. It's not a problem imo if you switch around in the teams to make it more even. Last weekend we had 7 people on our team who could easily shark, while the opponent only had one shark. But that team was stacked with spids, so they won it easily. I think if one of the sharks switched with one of the spids it would have been more even.
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    just have the caps pick teams from the people that get assigned to the arena. in general that would probably work out pretty well, most caps are pretty knowledgeable; thats why they were assigned cap. that would probably give the most even teams per 16 chosen.


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    Mc - my drafting code does succeed in it.

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    Another point I'd like to bring up is that players such as Porkjet are basically forced to play 1 ship in basing due to balancing issues. Porkjet is probably rated a 100 in basing due to his sharking and in order to make sure teams are balanced he doesn't have the liberty to try any other ship such as spider, which he has expressed an interest in.

    Also, I 100% agree that nerd loser veterans should stop raging at newbie/avg players who are attempting to try and play new ships. You faggots have TWL and TWDT to cry in. Let TSL be actually inclusive.

    To Qan/Beasty: Let Ogron have bot control. Not sure why this is even an issue.
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    I'll be honest I really dont feel like javing again, I got trashed once by ogron on my first game, and zidane has given me abuse when he lost a game with me on it and repeatably tells me how terrible I am in jav in public and on multiple occasions I played a shark basing game with porkjet. Oder and 24, they were encouraging me and teaching me which is how it should be when people are playing a ship out of their comfort zone
    I have seen people trash other players consistantly and without remorse and everyone keeps saying its everyone else but themselves who are doing it. I have under 20% win rate and im still doing fairly well in warbird, you dont have to win every game to do well and get good scores.

    And thix people who play badly absolutely shouldn't get subbed, otherwise lets just chuck this tsl out and bring in twl or twdt where people can just play stacked sides. When ogron advertised the league the key words were inclusive, everyone plays, nobody sits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Attacks View Post
    I'll be honest I really dont feel like javing again, [...] zidane has given me abuse when he lost a game with me on it and repeatably tells me how terrible I am in jav in public
    +1 zidane is one of the worst for this

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    I will stop raging at incompetent players when they start putting in some effort to actually try to win. But it's hard when some players are openly sabotaging a game on purpose and not due to their lack of skills.

    Everybody has been on the tail-end of abuse, it's part of the game. If you want a game where there's 0 accountability go play minecraft or something casual

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega Red View Post
    I will stop raging at incompetent players when they start putting in some effort to actually try to win. But it's hard when some players are openly sabotaging a game on purpose and not due to their lack of skills.

    Everybody has been on the tail-end of abuse, it's part of the game. If you want a game where there's 0 accountability go play minecraft or something casual
    I have not seen anyone not try their best so far, maybe we have been in different games than you, the way I see it is if we have the mentality people need to put up with abuse then your have the same x number of players playing the exact same ships and nobody new will bother playing, if you think its acceptable as a grown adult to be talked down to because I have taken the courage to try something new then this really isn't the game for me. I never said it wouldn't be frustrating, sometimes I really want to scream at people, last night I wanted to yell at Henry saari for not rushing jessup on 5 deaths when I was on 9, but I didnt.

    You were quite fortunate that you had practice in Eg and other zones before you hit tws, i honestly tremble at the prospect of fresh blood playing this game in this hostile climate
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    The only two times i raged in tsl so far, was due to whitesox sabotaging a basing game on purpose and jessup's refuse to do anything in a jav when on 5 deaths, while me and the other guy had 1/2 deaths left. If i see someone playing exclusively for the rec, im gonna call them out 100% of the times.

    I do not agree with you thix, regarding subbing people out(unless its a clear sabotage job). There is a ladder for some reason. The best players will be on top, the worst will be on the bottom. We as vets should try to encourage newbies to try their best, even if they arent doing that well. I also think its the vets jobs to carry low rating players. As long the teams are even, i personally dont mind having bad players around me at all.
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