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    All the Reasons America is Retarded (Dona

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    Well there's my covfefe moment why the fuck did it post like that. Anyway here's a list of the main reasons why America sucks not including Trump:

    Wealth Inequality

    1. The richest 1% own more than the "bottom" (relative use of the term here) 90% of Americans combined. But it's ok because America is super fair and only the most talented of con-artists and snake oil salesmen can reach the top.
    2. The richest 0.1% (which is still 300,000 people) make what? more than $5 mill a year? Now imagine the richest 0.01% which is still 30,000 people - they probably make $50 mill a year or more.
    3. Here's the kicker: the richest 0.1% or 0.01% have convinced idiots like Kthx that the system is fair through an elaborate propaganda network and an appeal to certain economic grey areas (more on this later I guess)
    4. Now people like Kthx go around mocking people who make less money, or are poor, unaware that they are a small fish as well on account of never meeting anyone from that 0.01%. If people like Kthx make $100k a year that is quite a good salary - but remember there are people who spend your yearly salary in a week. You aren't anybody important by any stretch.
    5. The rich keep the poor arguing against each other, perhaps not as a sinister conspiratorial plan but a logical game theoretical pathway that each player can reach independently. To assume rich people don't know they are rich, and wouldn't spend a good amount of money and effort to keep it that way, isn't giving enough credit. Far from brilliant tacticians, I'm sure if you put the average educated American in their shoes they could reach the same or similar conclusions. The rich want to stay rich and they are also the most empowered.
    6. Most problems in America stem from this dynamic, nay, most problems in the world arise from this dynamic as I hope to show. Let's move on to another topic but keep in mind they all arise from this root cause.

    How Wealth Inequality Relates to the Average American
    - Millions of Americans cannot afford health care, in contrast to countries like the rest of the civilized world (great country btw) that can afford, on much smaller economies, to provide healthcare for their citizens.
    - While productivity has risen predictably, wages have stagnated due to forces arising from this inequality.
    - General quality of life suffers predictably but in unseen ways. 40 million Americans live in poverty. Poverty is a strong causal factor of further life issues such as crime, mental illness, poor family planning, poor health, drug use, homelessness, education and it all spirals downward.The Military-Industrial Complex
    1. Prior to WW2, America was incredibly isolationist. This is a suitable strategy if you can imagine: America is the newest country and it occupies ALMOST an entire continent that was only recently discovered. It's also an ocean away from any world superpower of the time. Any strategist could tell you this is very beneficial, and it would be just as beneficial for America not to overeach their nascent power and instead focus on building and growth in your relative safety. In Starcraft when you find out your opponent is at the furthest possible starting point, expanding early becomes a good strategy: time is perhaps the most valuable strategic resource and America with its position in the world had plenty of it before WW2.
    2. After WW2 the geopolitical landscape was changed forever due to the nature of technology. 20 years before, enemy planes were barely a thing to be considered for America at least. Now, after WW2, planes can strike globally with massive bombs that can wipe out entire cities. There was hardly a resting moment between the two but the geopolitical dynamics changed dramatically.
    3. The Korean War, Vietnam War, arming rebel groups that align with your interests, the Gulf War, then the Iraq/Afghanistan Wars. Hope I'm not missing any. After WW2 there are two threats that serve essentially the same purpose: the red scare (communism) and the Islamic scare (dictators and terrorists).
    4. The communist threat was arguably more grave: as a political system it would pave the way for ruthless dictators to terrorize their people, not because communism itself is flawed although it well could be, but rather because brutal authoritarians love a good power vacuum. The Islamic threat is not as grave: power in the late 20th/early 21st century is a lot more decentralized. Only a country like North Korea, which has intentionally kept its population in the dark for decades, is able to pull it off. With the communications of today people are a lot less susceptible to being controlled on such a mass scale. Even ISIS, which at its peak controlled a good portion of Syria and Iraq, could only do so in such a poor area of the world, and even then there's no saying how long they could maintain it even without foreign intervention. If they held Syria for even 5 years is that really any amount of time in a geopolitical context?
    5. Iraq did not have nuclear capabilities, they were not hiding Bin Laden evidently and why should they - Saddam and the Saudis had no particular good relations. Iraq and Afghanistan don't even share a border. There was no reason to ever enter Iraq besides oil and don't tell me the Bush administration or Americans in general had a soft spot for the Iraqi people being oppressed. It was all about oil and relieving pressure on a key US ally Saudi Arabia. The fact that we were VERY ARGUABLY doing some good in the region is a very minor point - it is not America's job to police the Middle East.

    How the MIC Relates to the Average American
    1. In 2016 the Department of Defense had a budget of $580 Billion. The military is an investment in many ways: it employs people, opens up new resources (Iraqi oil for example) and partnerships, it protects the image of America as a strong and safe investment, and more.
    2. Meanwhile in America there is a gun in almost every home, cities like Chicago have a shooting every 3 hours and a person is murdered every 12 hours. The Middle East is likely safer than some American neighborhoods.
    3. Some "Most Manco-Like:" character shoots up a school every year or so in a mass shooting spree. Everyone feels bad, the cable news shows have their programming for the next few days, newspapers sell more copies, and people buy more guns ironically.
    4. Americans are somehow convinced that if they needed to rebel against their 580 billion dollar/year government, they're going to do it with their household firearms. Let me tell you idiots something. If the government decided to turn against the population the best use for the gun in your home is to shoot yourself in the head and save yourself the trouble. Of course nobody has a gun for that reason, they have it because it makes them feel powerful and hey, I didn't shoot anybody so why should my toy be taken away?
    5. Of course even if you wanted to destroy all the guns in America there would just be a black market. Create more conflicts so you can create more arms so you can create more jobs (and by jobs I mean wealth for the people who matter). America would be shooting itself in the foot economically by banning guns, since they are one of the biggest suppliers. Which brings me to the next topic.

    Corporate America

    One of my favorite topics, almost every problem in America can somehow be traced to the corporation. Nobody in America became rich without it - it is the vessel of greed and corruption and its properties make it especially valuable. The corporation is legally required to maximize the profit of its shareholders. While someone without a mental handicap might imagine the goal of a corporation to be something like, "maximizing the welfare of its stakeholders" that just didn't have the same pizazz. No, the modern corporation is required to be the legal incorporation of excessive greed. No shareholder can be held responsible - all they did was fund the operation! No employee is responsible either - they were only listening to the boss. Your boss isn't responsible either, he was following his boss' orders and so on. So you pay a single dude a bunch of money to be accountable. But they're rarely held accountable because that would be intellectually dishonest to the extreme - everyone is culpable to an extent there's simply no way of pursuing everyone. So the whole idea of holding someone accountable is thrown to the wind - great job, America. The system works so well (not at improving your country, mind you, but in generating wealth anonymously for the top 0.01%) that it's implemented fucking everywhere: healthcare (which by definition should be PERMANENTLY REMOVED from the private sector, as far as actual care goes), prisons (America's prison pop. per capita is the highest in the world lol), defense (perverted incentives when you mix unaccountable greed with a powerful military), schools, you name it. Here's how the private sector works, in principle:

    1. There are three ways for a business to make more profit: increase revenue, decrease costs, or pay less taxes. Some accountant will tell you there are only two (the first two) but I list three for simplicity.
    2. Increasing revenue is difficult since its not entirely within your control: you can try to increase your sales or introduce a new product/service but it is never a guaranteed success. Decreasing costs is within your control and therefore much easier.
    3. Your prison needs new clothing for its inmates. There is no reason not to purchase the cheapest option, as your goal is to maximize profit within your legal boundaries. Your private school needs a new building. The cost of building a new school is less than the cost of dealing with a few potential lawsuits (injuries and such) down the road, if they were to occur. You are legally required to not build that new school. As for the customers, the next closest school is 10 miles away so they won't be switching any time soon (search wikipedia: inelastic demand)
    4. Your employees are amazing - they really add value to the company. Labor is just another cost, though, and everyone is replaceable. Except you, the one making the final decision on everything. It doesn't matter if you sit behind a desk all day signing papers, you're the star. Not the employees who do the actual work for your business. Imagine if businesses paid their labor their true value (not some artificially inflated or deflated value based on supply/demand relating to a superficial imposed authoritarian hierarchy). The CEO would be paid far less and that's unacceptable, not for any reason besides that's how the structure is.
    5. Change (internal and external) and innovation is a cost, as well. Covering America in broadband coverage sure is expensive, let's charge Americans for the services they already pay for. Developing new drugs is really expensive, too, so let's increase the price of insulin. Title II sucks - we liked it when we could price discriminate and you didn't have the option to switch providers. Now THAT was a great time for us. Under Title II we'd lose hundreds of millions in potential revenue, so let's pay the government a few million to heavily consider keeping things as they were. Change costs money and businesses aren't about spending more money - there's no mandate that says they have to care about Americans or progress or poor people.
    6. Also we want less taxes. Not so we can pay our employees more, or give our prisoners better beds and clothing - that would be absurd. We simply want more money, is that so difficult to understand? BUT HEY WAIT LISTEN HEY - it's good for the economy I promise! Sure you could simply give money to people who need it and it would enter the economy immediately (and not some rich 0.01%'ers bank account) but that's socialist talk. Eventually people will benefit, after I've benefitted by 10x more, but come on. Hey, I'll give you $150,000 if you give me $500,000 - is that such a bad deal? Don't you want money you sick, corrupted husk of a human being?

    The Media

    1. People are right to question the media. Here's an idea: no media outlet, especially if its privately owned, is without bias. It's usually good business, though, to pratice fair and unbiased journalism and media practices because many people aren't stupid and usually don't want biased news.
    2. If people knew the news was fake they wouldn't watch it. They'd watch Game of Thrones or read PPS latest book or something. I think pps should be writing books for the public at large or at least be a celebrity outside of TW - he's said some of the most original but stupid things I can think of and therefore embodies the American spirit.
    3. News channels like Fox News prey on the average American. They feed you biased bullshit and foster the divide between Americans because it makes Rupert Murdoch and his rich buddies richer. If you ever want to know if a news org. is biased just follow the money. What does CNN gain by pushing anti-gun opinions (if they are even biased in this way)? Does it make Ted Turner money? What do Rupert Murdoch and friends have to gain by telling you Obamacare is terrible? It costs them nothing to say it, either, but they have everything to gain from it. What does Fox News have to gain by pushing anti-Islam opinions? Well, half the population will probably be cool with the next invasion of Iraq, for one.
    4. Often the bias is so subtle that even otherwise intelligent or good people can fall for it if they're already leaning conservative. Make no doubt that Rupert Murdoch and his friends see the media as a tool for protecting their other investments, or the Fox News brand itself. If Fox News decided to report on the news accurately and fairly tomorrow there'd be nothing to distinguish it from CNN, and other news channels that already do a good job of just reporting the news. By advertising yourself as the "other viewpoint" of the news you create a brand that is only sustained by continuing that viewpoint. It's how Alex Jones made a news network off of "InfoWars" and alternative news: in reality he has zero advantages over an established new network but by fabricating a viewpoint he's created a product - and people love it. Problem is they confuse it with reality.

    In truth, people have the most power in this world. If we were of a single mind, would there be anything stopping us from eradicating poverty, war, nuclear weapons - anything, really - from this planet? Of course not. It's all as possible as landing on the moon, traveling to Mars, or opening your balcony window. Break free of the propganda and individualistic mindset that you did everything yourself - that no luck was involved, that nobody deserves your help. Kthx: if you were born in Uganda you wouldn't even be here making 10k posts like a complete poop stain, how do you not realize this? From the very start you had some advantage in the world, so why do you treat others like they are subhuman for not having as much as you do? Is that what you base your entire value on - wealth and circumstance that you didn't even earn? And you don't even realize how truly worthless you are compared to people with real power in the world. So what is the point of you, and millions of other Republicans and Democrats (mostly Republicans lets be fair) dividing yourselves when if you worked together you could overcome every obstacle in the world, if that was your goal. Or is it your goal to shitpost on Trenchwars forums all day long? Many people look at America with contempt - it's not just America's fault of course, the whole world is starting to use this corrupt capitalist system because it's so effective. Do you really want such a great nation, founded on such promising ideals, to become a wasteland of decerepit morals and greed? It's not just Republicans either I have to emphasize, but they are by far the worst offenders. Seems to me people in America like being evil, like being greedy, like being cruel to their neighbour, and don't see the irony in their situation: that they are far more similiar to the peoplen they mock than they realize, far closer to poverty than they know, and much farther from good than they'd like to think. Enjoy your elitist shithole of a country that divides and conquers you like all the other peons, that makes 10000x more off a tax cut than you do, and looks at you with the same contempt that you have for your poorer neighbour. Enjoy sitting on your computer coming up with such original insults like "fag" and.. well that's it and patting yourself on the back for your supreme contribution to this world. Faggot.

    Might be updating this list but this is a general outline of the corrupt nature of American political economy in my opinion. Take it, leave it, research more, update your opinions, don't, I don't care. I can log onto this game and destroy the zone within minutes dare me. I'll probably donate when I have money (likely not this month, definitely wasn't last month when I first thought of donating). Normally I could donate $20/month or so, and for all the enjoyment I've had these past months I think I owe something. I give away my pub money as well so nobody can say I'm greedy or don't practice what I preach. Fly safe idiots, don't be like that one warbird on the right tube.
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    Good thread faggot.
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    Military Budget is 55 % of all Government spending costs while Healthcare is only 6 %. They say a single payer is unattainable. Facepalm........

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    Yeah, well pretty soon we are going to kill most members of Islam again in the great crusade of 2019. It is a small price to pay so we don't have to buy your hormone treatment with my tax dollars you fucking faggot.
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    Updated. Not sure why it posted in the first place probably Trump's fault. Good day.

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    Great update Dierienow!!

    Can you believe this recent tax cut and the sham they are pulling on the American people?? The average tax cut for a family is 100 dollars TOTAL. These retards in power literally have the gall to make this huge deal and base entire elections touting their tax cut plans and how they are going to help families. Then they throw literally a few bucks at you and expect it and make everyone happy and continue to vote for them. 100 frikkin bucks.. While the corporations are absconding with trillions and refuse to even raise the minimum wage. It is beyond insulting to me how the corporate agenda is right in our faces and yet working people still fall for voting for these evil turds to stay in power..it's baffling.. almost like they are mind controled. Anyways I enjoyed your post.. kthx should have stuck with wb because his political views are retardooo

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    You can't even figure out if you are a man or a woman, I don't think your political opinions on socialism vs capitalism are useful.
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    Also, Trump is one of the top 5 presidents in the history of the united states. Can't wait to build the wall, lots of jobs for jeromes peeps
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    Thanks for proving it kthx. It isn't even remotely funny now....

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    Must be female Jessup today, using emotions instead of facts and links. I mean, you think you can be more than one gender for instance, that is fairly low IQ
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    I could easily refute you but choose not to because it is obvious your little brain can't wrap itself around who I am. I will say on average Transgendered people are MORE intelligent than the general populace. You have zero clue what you are talking about. Do you know any trans people in real life? We are just like anyone else.

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    Haven't heard about the correlation between low IQ and racism and even conservativism -- sounds quite far-fetched and I'd need to see some proof -- but it does remind me of something very interesting I'd come across: racism may be genetic (and therefore hereditary) and came about because it provided evolutionary advantage in some cases.

    Racism is not so much a belief as a feeling. Racism is associated with the feeling of disgust. The evolutionary advantage to having disgust for people from other lands and cultures in pre-vaccination times is in avoiding disease to which you have no immunity. It's pretty simple: those who stay away from the "strange ones" also don't catch their diseases. And therefore survive, and pass on their genes. (Obviously there are successful humans who don't carry this trait, and have also reproduced. But it doesn't mean that racism is not evolutionarily advantageous in some situations.)

    Racism also correlates somewhat with cleanliness and orderliness. Hitler was quite the neat freak, as an example. His issue was an exaggerated sense of disgust.

    In other words, if you believe you're racist, don't feel so bad about it. Like almost all of who you are, you have little choice in the matter. (Well, in my opinion, absolutely none -- but few people will even entertain the possibility of the lack of free will.) You can take comfort in the fact that it provided your ancestors with some benefit, even if it does almost nothing in 2017 but make you look like a prick.
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    In this day in age racism should be fought and not embraced. It is something easily overcome and I don't believe it is inherently part of being human. On the contrary I do believe that racism and prejudice is taught. I am not racist in the slightest. I can understand the nerves people may have being around new cultures which is natural but growing up in Washington DC a melting pot I luckily have been exposed to every type person on the planet and have been friends or dated people from every culture almost. People are pretty much all the same when you get down to it.

    So I must disagree qan .. If you believe you are racist.. feel bad and fix it! No one should want to be a racist or excuse that type behaviour in my book. I think it didn't provide overall benefits also.. the open minded tribes who could meet, greet, trade and learn from new cultures usually were the ones who came out ahead. Also being exclusionary and prejudice could have caused unneeded violence and wars. That behavior could literally destroy your entire tribe too. Genes get stronger the more you mix too.

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    You should go be gender fluid in Iraq so you can show us how not racist you are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessup View Post
    In this day in age racism should be fought and not embraced. It is something easily overcome and I don't believe it is inherently part of being human. On the contrary I do believe that racism and prejudice is taught. I am not racist in the slightest. I can understand the nerves people may have being around new cultures which is natural but growing up in Washington DC a melting pot I luckily have been exposed to every type person on the planet and have been friends or dated people from every culture almost. People are pretty much all the same when you get down to it.

    So I must disagree qan .. If you believe you are racist.. feel bad and fix it! No one should want to be a racist or excuse that type behaviour in my book. I think it didn't provide overall benefits also.. the open minded tribes who could meet, greet, trade and learn from new cultures usually were the ones who came out ahead. Also being exclusionary and prejudice could have caused unneeded violence and wars. That behavior could literally destroy your entire tribe too. Genes get stronger the more you mix too.
    Think you may've skipped past some of the nuance in what I posted. May help to read it again. I certainly wasn't embracing racism. But like sexuality, what I'm saying is that some evidence suggests there is indeed a genetic component to it. (Citation needed, definitely. I'll see if I can dig it up.)

    Racist behavior isn't at all useful in the modern day. So, yes, I agree, it should generally be combated. However, that doesn't mean it didn't confer an advantage in certain situations, leading to it being passed on. In your example, the meet and greet tribes were probably on the whole more successful (and having the added advantage provided by new biological material intermixing). But they were also sometimes wiped out entirely by a new disease that they lacked immunity to. More closed off/racist tribes would not be as successful generally, but they'd avoid the disease. Both are successful, but in different situations and for different reasons.

    The point is: it provided some advantage in certain situations, so it was passed on. It's not perfect or good because of that. For example, the eye provides an advantage, even though it has to flip the image due to poor "design," and any creator designing it would certainly not have made that choice. It's not about overall benefits, as you mention. Obviously racism is not beneficial in the days of vaccines and massive cultural integration. Currently it's almost a pure detriment to your ability to mate and reproduce. As a result, it's probably a trait that we will gradually see wiped out over the next 500 years or so, unless something changes that makes it beneficial again.
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    Hi Qan,
    My opinion is that racism is not genetic, nor is sexism, nor is any other ‘ism’. Why? Because the underlying issue at hand is that ‘isms’ are simply sweeping generalizations. And making sweeping generalizations is just intellectual laziness; it is ‘easier’ to make a sweeping generalization than it is to spend additional time and effort to fully explain both sides of an issue. You can get your point across in far fewer words with generalizations. It is like saying some day we will not use statistics (which are just numeric generalizations). Humans are lazy and making generalizations is a very convenient shortcut to making a point. Laziness and convenience has nothing to do with genetics.


    To Others,
    As far as USA sucking, apparently people today have virtually no understanding of history or facts. Here are some USA postage stamps from 1943-1944 honoring countries which the USA saved from the Nazis in WW2. If USA sucks so much, what would have happened to these countries if US had not joined in WW2?



    And speaking of history, why is Black Lives Matter boycotting white owned businesses this year? Does BLM understand that over 100,000 white people died in the Civil War fighting to end slavery? My family owns a business and we have a relatives who fought and died fighting in the Union Army AND we employee a number of black people. Yet people will boycott our business just because of our skin color? Martin Luther King is spinning in his grave.

    Want some facts? There are more Democrat millionaires than Republican millionaires. Fortune magazine ran an article which listed out the top 20 areas for blacks to live and own businesses. 17 of the 20 were all in Southern states, not anyplace close to the Democrat run northeast cities or areas. And all those ‘racist’ statues that some feel most be pulled down, do they realize that the vast majority of the statues are actual Democrats? And what is this stupidity with ‘cops shooting black people’? Here is a link to police shootings, the source is the Washington Post (obviously not a right leaning publication).

    https://github.com/washingtonpost/data-police-shootings

    Download the CSV data and run the number yourself instead of relying on CNN and MSNBC. I filtered out just 2016 (last full year of data), filtered on ‘unarmed’, and filtered out white people. The total number of unarmed, non-white people shot by cops in 2016 was 26. 26 people! Not thousands. Not hundreds. But if you listen to the media and leftists they make it sound like cops are gunning down non-whites every hour (and out of those 26 we don’t know how many may have had a cell or other item in their hand thought to be a gun). Compare this to how many blacks have killed other blacks in just Chicago in 2016.
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    It is almost like the people who are actually racist are the ones who constantly see racism everywhere, go figure. (Already knew this)
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    Being wrong or stubbornly holding onto a point of view doesn't have a party affiliation. We are beasts with the capacity for higher reasoning but we are free to apply this capacity to malicious ends. My goal with this was to be a bit funny, and give the basis of my own political views I guess. My views are pretty liberal - based on my own life experiences, personality, and ideals that are unique to my experience only. We do share experiences more or less, though. We're all connected by society to some extent - it's why I can laugh at kthx's signature and avatar on here despite being thousands of miles away. We must be more similar than different in my estimation. That doesn't mean we have the same ideas, though - we are not actually connected and therefore my ideas cannot be known if I do not express them. I feel like I didn't communicate one of my most important ideas, though.

    I've been watching The Apprentice lately, to have some idea of what Trump was like before politics and because I've never seen the show. The premise of the show is, a group of people are assembled from all over America with the goal of working together on various projects to win the contest and eventually become Trump's apprentice. At the start the group is at maximum capacity (every week Trump fires someone and the groups become smaller over time) and maximum chaos. Everyone comes from a background where they're exceptional at what they do: they're king shit. They've never had to be shy about their ideas - where they come from they are the "oracle" for their given line of work. As anyone with real world experience would have gathered, you can go much farther in life with full confidence in a sub-optimal idea than with zero confidence in the optimal one. Sure it's played up for TV but just look at TW, probably the furthest thing from a television show involving a billionaire and his golden suite. Has the group dynamic ever done anything but pull in every direction possible? It's human nature! We all have our ideas and think they're the right ones, and eventually someone has to say, "FUCK it, we're doing it this way whether it's right or wrong because nobody can agree on anything!" Often there's no time to discuss an issue properly, if those involved were even capable of doing so, because of the time limit on effective action. We could argue each other into the ground and reach the proper answer only to find there's no time left to implement it - of what value was the perfectly right answer in this instance? Yet, given an opportunity to coordinate in a less time-constrained environment, couldn't we agree on a few principles to start with that would make the next group decision much easier? Kind of like how, in the prisoner's dilemma, if we had the ability to communicate beforehand, we could quite easily maximize both of our gains. Too often this is not possible and the result is everyone "betrays" each other resulting in the worst possible outcome.

    I saw on Wikipedia recently that one of the generals involved in the Croatian War was convicted of worst Mugatu cosplay and crimes against humanity for his role in the Bosnian genocide. Hatred in this world has very real consequences (of course I'm not saying that Americans are on that same exact level right now) but I admit I'm so devoid of knowledge about that part of the world that I couldn't figure out: what is the difference between a Croat, a Bosnian, and a Serb? Ask this question on Quora, for example, and people's heads will twist off. The languages are different! They aren't the same ethnicity! Some have more ties to Europe/NATO! And perhaps the most divisive characteristic of all: the religions are totally different! I guarantee if you take a microscope to the ground you will find the bacterial culture on one square foot is much different than the culture on another square foot in the same house! Yet, by virtue of our level of perspective, we're inclined to classify a house as "one", within the outermost 6 sides afforded by your property rights. What ignorance this is - for starters there are more bacteria than human cells, why should our perspective take priority? It certainly can't be because our perspective is somehow more total or all-inclusive: how many people have thought about their home in this way? We've taken it upon ourselves to define things as such, not through supreme reasoning or understanding but through what is most immediate and therefore comfortable. Imagine again, that through some chance perspective, you are looking upon Earth not as if it's a huge rock where you must line up in an airport for hours to see any good part of, but as a speck of dust in the universe, and you are applying your microscope as you've done to the floor in your house. The idea that these people are different in any way that allowed for war, genocide, poverty, suffering, mistreatment, different rights, even greed would be among the most foolish and ignorant ideas you can have. Yet try telling a Serb that they are essentially the same as a Croat or Bosnian or any variation of that and you will be labeled a fool at the very best. At the end of the general's trial when the verdict was given as guilty, and here's the reason why it was so newsworthy, he goes, "Judges, [I] am not a war criminal. With disdain, I reject your verdict!" and then took a drink of potassium cyanide (poison). To accentuate what a brilliant man he must've been, the Wikipedia article says he had three university degrees and "graduated as an electrical engineer with a GPA of 4.5/5." I can't help but feel like the biggest fool in the world compared to this man, who surely had a far greater understanding of how it worked.

    Now to bring it back to the thread and topic at hand. I hope to go through some of the comments and address them with my own perspective, despite there being no reward or even inclination for me to do so at this moment, other than the feeling that I have started this thread and now must continue to support it like the manchild it is.

    RE: Racism
    It probably is genetic to the extent that any behaviour can be classified as genetic - which is to say partly so. It is one of those prioner's dilemmas I mentioned above: if you and your neighbour are both different racist tribes, there will be maximum harm. If only one of you is racist, you will receive harm but your neighbour receives none. And, if both of you weren't racist at all, there would be the least amount of harm. So you can see that for every scenario (given different initial conditions, such as the assumption that your neighbour is already racist) there exists a local solution that minimizes your harm. But, if taken from the global perspective, it is clear the best solution that minimizes harm to everyone is to not have racism at all.

    RE: Conservatism and Low IQ
    It's interesting and I don't think that it's totally without merit, but only if you conflate IQ and wisdom. Incredibly intelligent people are capable of atrocity on a much larger scale than idiots probably - an idiot couldn't so much as plan it all much less carry it out with efficiency. But on average "liberals" will have a higher IQ because while wisdom doesn't preclude intelligence, the reverse is likely true. Wisdom without a base of intelligence or knowledge or experience is likely not wisdom at all. So if you believe liberals are capable of more wisdom (let's define wisdom, for shits and giggles, as the ability to reach the global solution that minimizes all harm in the prisoner's dilemma above, but in more situations) then it follows that liberals are slightly more intelligent on average than conservatives. None of it matters though and that meme image is pretty... special.

    RE: Jessup/Tax Cuts
    Thank you. Did you see all the other crap they're stuffing into the bill? They're eliminating the mandate that requires all Americans to have health insurance or pay a penalty. Obamacare sucks but that's because universal healthcare would be impossible in the current political climate. At least more people had healthcare.. oh well. The government gets to save money which is far more important than human lives obviously. They're also reversing the Johnson Amendment that will allow churches to endorse political parties in a blow to intellectual freedom. Also 1.5 Million acres of an Alaskan wildlife refuge will be open to oil drilling. "Republicans have attempted to allow drilling in the refuge almost fifty times..." Speaking of almost 50, the controversial bill passed through the Senate with a vote of 51-49, a clear indication of health within current American politics.

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    of my own political views
    did you vote for hillary
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    can we stop and wonder in amazement at the fact that we play a VIDEO GAME that has "generations"???

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    Ya know I was going to come up with something funny but the american politics situation is so dire right now i just can't. after I drop fact after fact, throwing bomb afte bomb, you ask that question of all the ones you could ask. but yes she was so great I voted for her 6 times... and have a hard, greasy spot in my heart for Bernie SLANDERs and thx to years of a taco bell diet. which is why i need affordable health care more than ever. but not socialism like Bernie "divide-the-dems" Spenders wanted us americans stick by the free market thin and thick through the good and the bad. Hillary 2020 you go girl!!!

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