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    Appeal: TWDT-D playoffs round 3 Lag & luck vs Earthworm Jim

    Lag & Luck appeal round 3 of the TWDT-D playoffs game vs Earthworm Jim. Heaven subbed himself with Ra (see link #6), who is on the roster of another team. At the same time at least the 6* player 'Gass' was online for Earthworm Jim.


    Before this Heaven had asked in public chat if both captains agree to 6* borrowing (see link #2). Neither Tiny nor I replied, and he did not ask about it again.


    In the screenshots you can see Heaven looking around for a 6* replacement borrow for Purge, who is on my team. This is because I asked him before round 1 about it as Purge might have to go or might lag. Heaven informed me that there would be no borrowing, which he later changed to "if both captains agree" (see link #2 again).

    To sum it up:

    1) Lack of explicit consent given by me or tiny at the time heaven asked us both regarding 6* borrowing (link #2)
    2) Earthworm Jim had at least one 6* player online when the sub was made. Even if borrowing was allowed, Earthworm Jim should have used their own 6* player over another team's 6* (Ra, who is also severely underrated, but that is another issue).


    Heaven and I have agreed to let Turban handle this appeal.


    In addition to the screenshots linked below, I have a log which I can send to Turban. Won't post it here since it contains chats (which I have edited out of the screenshots).


    https://imgur.com/B7jHRHy


    https://imgur.com/a/PSqHC


    https://imgur.com/a/jgLK4


    https://imgur.com/a/mLI5D


    https://imgur.com/a/tSBcV


    https://imgur.com/a/3gYEY
    Violence> lag cheating niggir
    JAMAL> laggy no skill nebwie
    JuanJuan> you a fucking lagass cheater
    mAZe Of tOrM> try more faggot
    mAZe Of tOrM> u suck dick
    Shadowmere> Nice lag you fagf

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    No one knew Gass was online or if he was online during dtd. He wasn't in chat. We surely would not have added ra if we knew he was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiny View Post
    No one knew Gass was online or if he was online during dtd. He wasn't in chat. We surely would not have added ra if we knew he was.
    Moot point, even if it was ur duty as a captain to know that. Captains didnt agree to the borrow, thats enough to repeat the round.
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    Being able to replace 6* in playoffs has been a thing for a few seasons in a row, it's not up to the captains to decide whether it's allowed. heaven clearly doesn't know much about the DT rules......

    also you can see in the screenshots trasher posted that Gass wasn't in the arena (also had no idea he was online since he's not in our dt chat for w/e reason)

    it sucks vys lagged but lets be honest, vys played jav and base without lagouts. he only lagged out because he didn't tell his family to get off netflix.... thats not rly on us. as far as us playing 30 mins after schedule it didnt affect when jav or base started as they started on time.

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    need a tl;dr version plz
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    Quote Originally Posted by kess View Post
    Moot point, even if it was ur duty as a captain to know that. Captains didnt agree to the borrow, thats enough to repeat the round.
    You trying to tell me I should ?find every 6*on my roster not in chat mid round before asking for a sub fill in? Grasping at straws here

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    Quote Originally Posted by kess View Post
    Moot point, even if it was ur duty as a captain to know that. Captains didnt agree to the borrow, thats enough to repeat the round.
    Point #2. Clearly stated you can borrow 6*s. Duty as a captain to know that.


    You don't need other caps permission
    Last edited by Tiny; 12-10-2017 at 08:49 PM. Reason: Forgot

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiny View Post
    Point #2. Clearly stated you can borrow 6*s. Duty as a captain to know that.


    You don't need other caps permission
    Heaven who is the person currently running the league, said no borrowing allowed in the playoffs, its in the screenshots. If he is gonna overturn something HE said, he better get permission of both captains(which he didnt).
    KESS let me down in mortars... damn puta!!! DOUBLE THE PUTA TIME!! ?go doublejavs -Cig <ER>

    SUH SUH G. SPAWNFEST TIME. calling out all muh boys ?go JAVUFC to play -Children <ER>

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    where did heaven say that? if you check rules it says you can borrow a 6*

    what i see in the screenshot is heaven asking if both caps are ok with it and no one replies, he never says borrowing is not allowed unless im super blind but I feel I looked a couple times. he even talks about you guys replacing purge with bellflowers (whos not on your team) if he had to go.. so clearly heaven was under the impression that borrowing 6s in playoffs is a rule and is allowed
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    The post heaven made refers to HIGH star subs. We are sticking with the current and old rules as stated in his post. 6* subs are allowed. As you clearly stated....it's captains duty to know rules...these are the rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiny View Post
    You trying to tell me I should ?find every 6*on my roster
    yup tiny, thats what capping means

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    Quote Originally Posted by skyforger View Post
    yup tiny, thats what capping means
    edited whatt I said. Was mean and off point.

    I like how u pulled only part of the quote to troll another forum.
    Last edited by Tiny; 12-10-2017 at 09:52 PM.
    1:waven> u challenge
    1:waven> if i challenge it looks too scary

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    Hope you contract ebola from your, no doubt cheap, Easter Egg, you fucking shit-jav, pug-faced cunt.

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    I agree this seems unfair to borrow the league's most powerful 6*. Unfortunately no rule was broken here, since borrowing low stars is permissible.

    BUT...

    Even if adding Ra as your borrowed 6* isn't technically illegal, it's still bending the spirit of the rules, and shows that Earthworm are unscrupulous bastards.
    Last edited by MHz; 12-11-2017 at 09:24 AM.

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    TWDT has allowed borrowing of low star players in the playoffs for the third consecutive season and there has not been any formal statements to my knowledge announcing a change to the rules. In the past two seasons the rules further clarified that the borrowed player must be approved bya moderator, however the current rules simply state that players must be rated 65 or below in order to be eligible for borrowing which admittedly is not clear enough and leaves room to be interpreted in many ways.

    Ogron was trying to implement a borrowing system for elite tier players in the playoffs which seems to be the root of all this confusion.

    This appeal has been denied as no rules were broken.

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    nvm.
    Last edited by MHz; 12-11-2017 at 09:23 AM.

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    This doesn't seem right.. You guys are saying any team can borrow any 6*, regardless if they have 6's online or not, without the opposing captains consent or a moderator?

    The point of this rule is to avoid 4v5 games where there is no 6* online, if we are just going to allow teams to borrow the best 6*, available, then what's the point of a draft?

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    Heaven has said somewhere that there would be no borrowing in (semi) finals. I am 100% sure about this.
    Then I again if borrowing would be allowed I think its stupid that the teams can borrow from another semi finalist..
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    The accusation of us using ra instead of our own players was 100% false. We had no one else online or in our chat to play. Heaven proceeded to ask in spec for a sub. Was that not obvious when we couldn't get 3+ players to play at 2pm? I appreciate the fact that Trasher agreed to letting us start late, but this bullshit of us using another player as opposed to our own is as stated already, bullshit. We only found Gass 30 minutes later after the first round of dtj because we happened to go in the other arena and he was in spec watching that game and not in our chat.
    1:waven> u challenge
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    Hope you contract ebola from your, no doubt cheap, Easter Egg, you fucking shit-jav, pug-faced cunt.

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    it's worth mentioning that my position is simply from a rule perspective.

    I do not feel that the screenshots provided were convincing enough for me change my opinion. I was not there in person and can only base my judgement on what I have seen and heard from various different parties involved with the match.

    the match itself was handled very poorly and the fact that there was no third party host available makes the matter a bit more complicated but that is a different beast to tackle.

    Lag & Luck showed great sportsmanship by allowing a reset of the match series as they could have simply taken the win but decided in the spirit of the competition to make it fair for the other team, however the appeal is primarily about rules being broken and while Heaven did not make himself clear enough in public I do believe the responsibility still falls in the hands of both teams captains to follow the rules when in doubt.

    there has not been a single instance to my knowledge where Heaven clearly stated that borrowing was off limits. I have been provided with a message he supposedly posted in the TWDT captain chat which, in my opinion, was about the high star borrowing proposal set by former operator Ogron as its the only thing that would make any sense. official rule changes should always be public with forum announcements.

    .. as for the morality of things, I do believe that Gass should have been played over Ra assuming he was available to participate in the match. however that argument is somewhat in the grey area as I do not know the specifics regarding his availability.

    nonetheless it was a dick move to substitute him in and it would be nice of the other team to return the sportsmanship back by allowing a replay of that round, but I will personally not start picking sides in an appeal and prefer to remain neutral.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turban View Post
    it's worth mentioning that my position is simply from a rule perspective.

    I do not feel that the screenshots provided were convincing enough for me change my opinion. I was not there in person and can only base my judgement on what I have seen and heard from various different parties involved with the match.

    the match itself was handled very poorly and the fact that there was no third party host available makes the matter a bit more complicated but that is a different beast to tackle.

    Lag & Luck showed great sportsmanship by allowing a reset of the match series as they could have simply taken the win but decided in the spirit of the competition to make it fair for the other team, however the appeal is primarily about rules being broken and while Heaven did not make himself clear enough in public I do believe the responsibility still falls in the hands of both teams captains to follow the rules when in doubt.

    there has not been a single instance to my knowledge where Heaven clearly stated that borrowing was off limits. I have been provided with a message he supposedly posted in the TWDT captain chat which, in my opinion, was about the high star borrowing proposal set by former operator Ogron as its the only thing that would make any sense. official rule changes should always be public with forum announcements.

    .. as for the morality of things, I do believe that Gass should have been played over Ra assuming he was available to participate in the match. however that argument is somewhat in the grey area as I do not know the specifics regarding his availability.

    nonetheless it was a dick move to substitute him in and it would be nice of the other team to return the sportsmanship back by allowing a replay of that round, but I will personally not start picking sides in an appeal and prefer to remain neutral.

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