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    So if you are quoting Thomas Paine than you obviously agree that our constitution and way of governance is still to this day fantastic? I swear man, I love you but you need to lay off the drugs, you have 20 different personalities on your posts, I can literally tell when your fucked up and not based on your style of writing, and how you are trying to persuade me. You should really work on that if you want to change peoples minds about anything.
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    Paine believed that God doesn't interact with the world. As a result of his belief he was ostracized and only 6 people attended his funeral. Stay classy, America.

    Anyway if you think T. Paine wouldn't come into the modern political debates swinging like Thor in a kindergarten then you don't undestand the man. His wikipedia page is a solid wall of him dunking on the pea-brains of his time, and as a pea-brain of this time you would suffer a similar fate.

    Actually there's a good quote from wiki. A loyalist hated Paine because he thought without a monarchy, the country would "degenerate into democracy." He called Paine a political quack. Well, who did history side with on that one? And do you see any relation to the alt-right today? Let me explain it to you.

    Loyalists had a lot to lose. The one in question was a large landowner in Maryland with slaves. It's in his immediate interest to support whatever view will put a dollar in his pocket. That's politics. You think politics is some philosophical utopia for the wisest participants only? No, it's a big soup of people who want something (money, power, status) and are willing to organize to mould the legal and political landscape to their desire, whatever the cost to others may be. And they say, if YOU wanted those rewards you'd organize and seek to change the political lanscape, too.

    Yet overwhelmingly the people who seek out power and the ability to control others are 'evil'. Good people don't want to control others and thus, only fight back from a losing position. But politics has always been the same: those who make the effort get the power. Democrats are part of the mess but I generally see them as better. Do gay rights make anyone obscenely wealthy? I dont think so. And if the morals of it are so obscene, what can we say in turn about the morals of the GOP, who are willing to demonize you and control you based on a consensual act. Where exactly do you find the moral high ground in the Republican party?

    Just like the Loyalists of the 1700's were defeated, and the Confederates of the 1800's, and any other collective moral failings since, so will the alt-right.

    It's funny how this all ends up in a thread about socialism. Confederate soldiers weren't the worst people. Neither were German soldiers. Compared to their political orgs at least. Many were just looking to make a living or protect their existing livelihood. The real evil came from those with power who could disseminate their terrible ideas a) in a way that would outrage the common man so that he would support your cause and b) so that they would be the ultimate benefactor of the political change. Very basic stuff in Marxist lines of thonking. Of course the very basic and evident truth of this is exactly why it is so hated among anyone who desires power (and as stated earlier, those who seek power are often nefarious, or at least it isn't too uncommon). The regular folk are easily manipulated precisely because they lack power/means to power and, individually, are at a disadvantage when it comes to negotiating for more power.

    So, Marxist interpretations of both historical and modern events hold true depending on the initial axioms you wish to start with. Perhaps another theory explains social dynamics between the wealthy elite and 'downtrodden pawns' in a way that better encompasses the realities that others believe Marxism ignores, but I have yet to see it.

    Also as a terrible thinker (everyone knows) it only just occurred to me that you basically proved Jerome's point. If you take your own reasoning seriously: that quoting (perhaps the original) Founding Father indicates support of some other idea he had, then we as a society should be more open to the idea of universal basic income. After all, the Founding Fathers likely quoted Paine and agreed with him, which means they must have thought UBI was a fantastic idea! (By your logic, anyway..)

    There's my contribution to Team Jerome. You are a good guy I agree with that. Every time I come into this thread there's a new interesting topic to think about. Thomas Paine was lit and I think we could learn a lot from someone like him as well.

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    Information coming directly from Mueller's indictment states that the defendants (Russian Nationals and their orgs here) have been posing as American activists since 2014. They stole the identities of real Americans as well to add a layer of deception. They operated social media pages and "over time became the means to reach a significant number of Americans".

    Is it over? Are we done yet? What more evidence is required to convince you that you were duped by very recent propaganda techniques? It's just sad. Russia has such an easy job because Americans like Kthx would sooner burn the country to the ground and start again than admit they were duped or had.

    America was doing fine. Only Trump and his recently (since 2014 =DD we can now put a date on it) fervered base think the country is declining. Time for 49% (or whatever it was) of voters to admit that they were duped by the fake news they claim to hate so much.

    This thread is so easy. Almost as easy as this 'super-gay-to-play-whilst-sober' spaceship game.

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    And it's exactly why DumbF tried to discredit the FBI and Mueller LONG before this. He knew what was coming and mentally prepped his base for the angle they need to take b/c the information that came out would be so damning, if of course Republicans actually gave a fuck. They just wanted blackie and Hillary out and didn't care how.
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    lol this mueller shit reminds me that the same people who think hillary clinton is openly selling uranium to russia and killing people in benghazi, that think the FBI is wiretapping trump, that think a large majority of the government has formed an insidious cabal known as "the swamp" that is actively working with the deep state to depose our elected president...

    these same people tell me we need the second amendment because if tyranny ever comes to america, they'll be there to stop it

    fucking lol, pussies, if you were gonna do something you'da done it. so please hand over ur toys so children stop fucking dying, or fucking man up and overthrow this shitty inhumane tyrannical government
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    Criminal> idk whatever was on the first google result for "piece of shit spaceship game from 96 free download"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dierienow
    Information coming directly from Mueller's indictment states that the defendants (Russian Nationals and their orgs here) have been posing as American activists since 2014. They stole the identities of real Americans as well to add a layer of deception. They operated social media pages and "over time became the means to reach a significant number of Americans".
    I've heard "Russian national" used a lot in this situation. Very illustrative of the deceptive nature of these kinds of reports.

    The reason the term "Russian national" is used in this context is that it sounds simultaneously more insidious and more official, while literally still just meaning "Russian citizen". "Russian citizen" lacks the punch needed to get people coming back to the infofeed and buying your advertiser's products, though, so you've gotta ramp it up with "Russian national." As far as I'm aware, those charged have not been linked to any government agency. Same goes for the term "Russian hackers." The implication, again, is "Russian hackers employed by the Russian state." Yet there is little evidence of that -- as far as I'm aware. Some of the so-called "hacks" are ... heh ... portscans. Portscans initiated from an IP inside the Russian Federation. Right now, I could start a VPN, get a Russian IP, and portscan the DNC. (It's not even illegal to do.) Look, Ma! I'm a Russian hacker! She'd be so proud.

    The point is: Russian, Chinese, Israeli, American, French, German, Brazilian and Thai nationals are all posing as activitists in the US and elsewhere. This is not new information. Disinfo campaigns, whether financed by government agencies or NGOs, are a fact of life. The US also tries to actively influence Russian elections. The CIA is in loose, de facto control of many small governments by proxy. "Troll farms" exist and exert influence, and are probably a necessary component of any even moderately-sized political campaign in today's world. Does this mean "democracy is hacked!!!," and we will never be safe again? No. It means we've got to use our heads to analyze what we read and hear, form our own opinions, and not rely on Facebook, Twitter or Instagram for our news. (Or any small set of sources, for that matter, particularly not non-print sources that are ideologically-aligned and are designed to be difficult to process while triggering emotional responses, such as MSNBC, Fox News, Infowars, CNN, /pol/, NPR, Russia Today, Voice of America, etc.)

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    I also have no problem with the re militarization of our country or for the religious like respect our military gets. I have no problem having military parades, or having flyovers at sporting events or any of that. I don't see why it bothers anyone to be honest.
    Because it's an advertisement for a product, the stated intent of which is to kill people. You'd have to be pretty naive about the workings of the world, or a sociopath, for that stuff not to bother you.
    "You're a gentleman," they used to say to him. "You shouldn't have gone murdering people with a hatchet; that's no occupation for a gentleman."
    -Dostoevsky's Crime and Punishment

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    lol a former head of CIA was on fox news the other day and straight up said the US interferes in elections all the time, except we 'do it for a good cause' or whatever

    here's an interesting article: https://medium.com/s/story/the-singu...s-3e280baa045c

    From a financial point of view, Amazon doesn’t behave much like a successful 21st-century company. Amazon has not bought back its own stock since 2012. Amazon has never offered its shareholders a dividend. Unlike its peers Google, Apple, and Facebook, Amazon does not hoard cash. It has only recently started to record small, predictable profits. Instead, whenever it has resources, Amazon invests in capacity, which results in growth at a ridiculous clip. When the company found itself with $13.8 billion lying around, it bought a grocery chain for $13.7 billion. As the Recode story referenced above summarizes in one of the graphs: “It took Amazon 18 years as a public company to catch Walmart in market cap, but only two more years to double it.” More than a profit-seeking corporation, Amazon is behaving like a planned economy.
    casual reminder that corporations are literally just as bad as "muh gubmints"
    The Phase > what version of ssc are you guys running?
    Criminal> idk whatever was on the first google result for "piece of shit spaceship game from 96 free download"


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