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    Did borrowing even exist during the last twl? I feel like it didn't and this is probably the only reason twd has remained fairly active (when tsl wasn't running). Of course it could work if we have 6 teams with 25+ showing for dt there's no reason to expect 8 teams of 15 or 6 teams of 20 to not show.

    Obviously when you get into roster limits base complicates things. One of the main reasons twl 21 was seen as being unsuccessful was the amount of delays and the season was just too long with how the playoff bracket was set up (winner and loser bracket). There's no logical explanation as to why twl should kill twd, if anything teams should want to twd more for practice. Also ogron stating twd was dead during twl for the past 5 seasons is just 100% false. Twd started to die in s20 and borrows brought it back from the grave slightly. Twld and twlj could easily happen and be competitive, the question is whether twlb should be played at the same time since it would be hard to have as many teams (especially if small roster limits given to balance talent out)

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    TWL or a tournament of its type would need to last no more than a month.
    No preseason, Two weeks of qualifiers each team playing twice a week much like Twdt, then strait onto semis and then the finals a week after.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Claushouse View Post
    I play TWD with the same people I've been playing TWD with since I was with Zidane and Mattey on Sage (TWL S15) and BONK! (TWDT 2011), when we had 0 titles to our names and had won nothing.

    I play with the same people today.

    That our group has won a lot of titles has nothing to do with it. It's not my fault Fierce, Dice, Pene, etc. quit. If they were all still here, I'd still be playing with the same people, even if we weren't favored.
    I am not saying you did do anything wrong or w/e. All I am saying is that Envy and Zombie should consider how long this can go. Like someone already said here, how long Wolf/Sulake etc gonna even TWD? In the end it might end up only us TWDing each other and the other squads avoiding us. Which in the end will just kill TWD and make people quit on all squads due to even competition.
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    I forgot about borrowing, I guess TWD could maybe survive a TWL with that. Still think it's a bad idea.

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    I have always wanted to see an Elim League. Elim is fun when there's lots of people playing -- hell, I would argue that Elim in it's prime was considered more important than TWL. So many people just weren't available on Sundays or didn't care about leagues. I personally couldn't play TWL during high school/college because of sports commitments, and didn't even follow the league during the early to mid 2000s. Elim Top 100 was what it was all about.

    Elim ladder means nothing now, of course, due to people playing in games with 6 people, and players cheating. I see people getting fed or hunting other competitors on aliases with intentionally low rating to hurt them. It's a joke.

    If you had an Elim league that ran for X weeks with a set schedule, you could get a lot of players and have a cool Elim experience that matters. No aliases or other bullshit, with a host monitoring the game.

    Use Kill + Plus-Minus + Win Bonus for every elim match (run two WB matches, then two Jav matches each gameday, and have it 2 days per week. You would have 20 elim games per league in a 5 week season.

    Take each player's 10 best games and sum them, and you got a league. Then host a final with the 10 best players in, and declare a champion. List the 10 players and the champion in the arena graphic, and you're got a success.
    S18 TWLB Champ
    S19 TWLB Runner-Up
    S20 TWLD/TWLJ/TWLB Champ
    S21 TWLB Runner-Up
    S8/S9/S10 TWDT-D/TWDT-J/TWDT-B Champ
    S11 TWDT-B Runner-Up
    S12 TWDT-B Champ
    S13 TWDT-B Runner-Up
    S14 TWDT-B Champ
    S16 TWDT-B Runner-Up

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    Quote Originally Posted by zidane View Post
    Did borrowing even exist during the last twl? I feel like it didn't and this is probably the only reason twd has remained fairly active (when tsl wasn't running). Of course it could work if we have 6 teams with 25+ showing for dt there's no reason to expect 8 teams of 15 or 6 teams of 20 to not show.

    Obviously when you get into roster limits base complicates things. One of the main reasons twl 21 was seen as being unsuccessful was the amount of delays and the season was just too long with how the playoff bracket was set up (winner and loser bracket). There's no logical explanation as to why twl should kill twd, if anything teams should want to twd more for practice. Also ogron stating twd was dead during twl for the past 5 seasons is just 100% false. Twd started to die in s20 and borrows brought it back from the grave slightly. Twld and twlj could easily happen and be competitive, the question is whether twlb should be played at the same time since it would be hard to have as many teams (especially if small roster limits given to balance talent out)

    Nah borrowing has got there waaaay after.

    I agree that twld and twlj could be competitive, but I think it will only be if we get strict roster limits, so it wont be 10+ ppl on a squad who could easily start on any other squad, but the people wanna stay together for what? The chatting? We can still chat with each other, no need to squad with each other just for that. Yea, I understand you have preferance of who you wanna play with, so do I. TWLB might be impossible yea.. Especially if you wanna pull this together with the same TWLJ/TWLD teams. Imo we could just do this 'javing' and 'warbird' cup as we did with basing cup, but instead of having captains pick, people should just signup with a team. Just like someone mentioned before, but I dont agree it should be played all on the same day. With TWDT there is different leagues you play, so its a change... But I cant imagine playing 6 wb games after each other, same for jav or base. (atleast if wb/jav is best of 3).

    Teams of 6 sounds good enough, everyone will have 1 sub if needed. Or you could do 4v4 and end up with 5 on a team.. Maybe that will be better to spread the competition a bit more. I have talked about this before, but if we can get 16 teams (dunno if thats too high?) we could create 4 groups. #1 of Group A faces #2 of Group B like in a World Cup. Could even do it that #3 and #4 keep facing each other too, this way no one will really be excluded from playing. Play 3 games on a sunday and you can head to the quarter, semi and final. Those can easily be played on the week after with good coordination. You could do first two weeks of warbird, then javelin and then make something work for basing again. Then you have a nice amount of time before you might start a new TWDT season.. Or something else...

    Someone mentioned Attack tourny here, I dunno how that worked (wasnt around when that happened). But I wonder if enough people are interested in those kind of tourny's. Because if there is, enough events can be turned into a decent tourny imo.

    twl 21 was a complete mess indeed.
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    The easiest thing would be to completely separate twlb from twld and twlj and impose a strict roster limit, ie 10 man twl roster if you are in both twld and twlj. This would force some top players to split and also make people join new teams. Some people who are mainly basers may be forced to twlj and twld on a different squad while still helping that team be more competitive.

    Then if there's a demand for it run twlb where you could play on a different team than you wbd and have javd on if you wanted or just do more basingcups. Obviously this is if there's interest

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    Make Trench Wars Great Again

    I won't reenter into the twl talk because i'm not hyped anymore but I got something else I want to talk about, since I got reactions for twl I'll take profit to get reactions for this other subject. By the way sorry Ogron for derailing your thread again but I have more chance to make a flop if I open a new one.





    Make TWEL and TWDL Great Again
    hoping it is not one of those relics newbies don't have the right to touch




    Once, I gave an idea about copying professional tennis formula for TWEL, so since I can't get my new formula for TWL I thought about it again. At first I thought about 2 revisited TWEL per year but it's the best way to shit on the prestige of the league, it's like 2 superbowls per year. Then I remember Sir Glyde gave the idea of alternate with TWDL, which is perfect. I even find a way to bet real money, it just need someone trustworthy, so only the sysop I guess, in hopes he won't "buy a shirt for his son".


    Pros and cons :

    + Everybody is welcome, even Cyclone or myself
    + Schedule adjustable to fit with everyone's life
    + Can be run while running other leagues, it's even advisable..

    - .. because it consist of only one duel per week for evey players still on competition.(*)



    What does it looks like?


    It looks like "ATP World Tour", with slight changes, and it consist of two Grand Slam tournaments :

    -TWEL aka solo
    -TWDL aka double.

    3 divisions per tournaments : Duel Warbird, Duel Javelin and Duel Spider (and not hold the flag game or whatever shit)

    16 seeds per division, per tournament, based on points earned during the run (Last TWEL+TWDL per division; for first season do seeds manualy) :


    500 points for winner
    250 points for runner-up
    100 points for semifinals
    50 points for quarterfinals
    25 points for round of 16
    10 points for round of 32



    An exemple to help to understand how rankings are made:


    We already played many seasons, now we gonna play TWEL so to determine rankings do as follow :

    In warbird Ease lost in final in the last TWEL, so he got 250 points, and won with Steadman in TWDL, so he got 500 points. Which makes 750 points.

    Still in warbird Steadman lost in semifinals last TWEL, so he got 100 points, and so won with Ease in TWDL, so he got 500 points. Which make 600 points.


    The tournament is over, Ease lost in quarterfinals, so he earn 50 points, and lose 250 points. Which makes a total of 550 (750 initialy + 50 earned - 250 because now those points come from two saisons ago).

    While Steadman lost in semifinals again, so his points won't change (+100 for the semifinal -100 to erase the TWEL of two saison ago) so still 600 points.

    So in the new warbird ranking Steadman will overtake Ease.

    To make the seeds :

    Still on warbird, let's imagine the number one ranked is Ease. Ease signed up, he is seed #1.
    Number two ranked is RaCka but he didn't signed up, so who's next?
    Number three ranked is Steadman, he signed up, so he is seed #2.
    And so on .. until we got 16 seeds.

    In TWDL everybody play with who he wants to, just add both players points to make the seeds.



    What drawing?

    The drawing size need to be adjusted by taking into considerations the amout of sign-ups for the tournaments, but the structure remains the same. It is a simple drawing like used for playoffs in subspace leagues, but a bigger version. From the round of 32 to the final it is like a tennis Grand Slam, if seed #1 beat his unseeded opponent he will face the winner of seed #16 vs an unseeded. And so on, 2 with 15..

    The difference is that in TWEL/TWDL formula, the 16 seeds starts from the round of 32. The amount of rounds depends on the amount of sign-ups, some unseeded players could have one additional round compare to some others.

    Unseeded are randomized. There is always a possibility of the #1 seed facing a legendary player in the round of 32 because all unseeded will be returning vets, or at least almost.

    * Every preliminary rounds are bestof1. From the round of 32 to the semifinals bestof3. Final bestof5.



    What schedule?

    Every games of every rounds must be played between Monday 00:01am and Sunday 11:59pm of one particular week, except for preliminary rounds who must be played on one week even if two preliminary rounds are needed. Staff send a message in game to each players to make them find a moment when they will be able to show, by talking in game. Place the final on a Sunday 3:00pm if possible.

    Concerning the follow up by staff, all they need is a message send by the winner to tell them the score. Screenshots are advisables as some Steadmans might want to play.



    Bet and win! I doubt this could work, but in an older era it could have worked


    I found a "safe" way to offer real money, as players offered some money that the winner earn in past seasons. I will explain it by using an exemple (a player can only bet on himself):

    It's TWEL-J, from all the players, 7 have placed a bet, I add one who didn't placed any bet to use as exemple for all others who don't.

    Ease is confident, he placed 200$
    Amnesti get crasy and placed 300$
    Major Crisis don't believe on him but still place 10$ in case of
    Tiny believe on him but have spend to much this month, he still placed 100$ because he love to play
    zidane have no balls he didn't bet anything
    Dreamwin follow Tiny and placed 100$
    24 want to bet but his wife gonna get really mad if he start using their money to bet on his stupid game, he still placed 20$.
    Then RaCka placed 50$ in case of as he know he will be even more concentrate with his own money on game.

    If Ease win, he got his money back plus 200$ maximum from every bets, so 480$ (680 by counting his own bet). Amnesti got 100$ of his bet back.
    If Amnesti win, he earn every bets.
    If Major Crisis win, he earn 60$ + his 10$ back. If 17 players had bet just 10$ he would have earned 170$.
    And so on.

    I think it's a better way to reward money to the winner since someone who don't give money indeed don't deserve to win money to me, I find terrible that someone give 200$ someone else 100$ .. and someone who give nothing win everything.

    This could add some dramas too, I can imagine in my exemple a Ease/zidane final, zidane lose and dreamwin get mad because he is sure zidane let Ease win.




    Conclusion

    Let's make a "Leagues Op War", competition is the best vector of performance, it goes for Leagues Op too. Henry Saari and his herd got TWDT and the Basing Cup and whatever they want, Ogron got TSL and if he is interested can take my formula and change all the settings he want. You could even add what zeebu and Dreamwin want, 3v3 and 4v4. Could make some competitions to play once per year as I said and competitions to play all on the same day/week and earn 10% of points (50 for the winner for exemple)or whatever else. You could do whatever you want i'm sure it got some potential. I could help if i'm here and you ask, and you could even choose the name.

    And concerning the prestige of competitions like TWL or TWEL it should be use for the good of TW instead of some e-egos purpose only. Nobody is a kid anymore but it's a fact that some TWL/TWEL medals can attract more people, let's not lie about this. We just need to make leagues competitively enough to not shit on the prestige.

    Oh, and concerning TWD my opinion is that only Fork understood the way it should go, customization, not competition. A TWD team should be like your house in Trench Wars, create personnal arenas, change walls place and add banners/colors, and be able to face opponents in your arena if they are agree. Do revenge on their arena if you want, then play some regular games. Could even add a reset every month and add a function on roster page to show how many months this team ended first. Then could keep the "no lost points" system to favor activity, but please erase the +5 for a lose. It might need a lot of work and I don't know what can be technicaly done.

    Finally, their is an other thing that I did not experience because I'm a newbie, and I would like to bring back, it's Lil piggy. I would like to make a TWD team with her as captains, call it Dreams, use ForgottenGhost's ass banner and make a team arena doing the shape of her butt with walls. I could attract many big names and own the game. But I have no idea how to bring her back unfortunately.


    thanks for reading now please give me your opinion

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    If you wanted to get betting involved I suggest looking into crypto. Can write up smart contracts for payouts. tw could set up a donation fund to be used for tournament payouts, player achievements, etc.

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    Lol at the thunder saltiness saying the last TWL was "unsuccessful" when it was competitive in the playoffs starting from
    Quarters to finals.

    I remember Cobra was going to lose to Dice in semi's if it wasn't for commodo big 3fer and trasher playing well the entire series to keep us in it. Wish he could of played in the finals because he was a big part of the line. Anyway, any team could of won LJ.

    Even though thunder stacked all 3 leagues, they still managed to get smashed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldinho View Post

    Finally, their is an other thing that I did not experience because I'm a newbie, and I would like to bring back, it's Lil piggy. I would like to make a TWD team with her as captains, call it Dreams, use ForgottenGhost's ass banner and make a team arena doing the shape of her butt with walls. I could attract many big names and own the game. But I have no idea how to bring her back unfortunately.


    thanks for reading now please give me your opinion


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rough View Post
    Lol at the thunder saltiness saying the last TWL was "unsuccessful" when it was competitive in the playoffs starting from
    Quarters to finals.

    I remember Cobra was going to lose to Dice in semi's if it wasn't for commodo big 3fer and trasher playing well the entire series to keep us in it. Wish he could of played in the finals because he was a big part of the line. Anyway, any team could of won LJ.

    Even though thunder stacked all 3 leagues, they still managed to get smashed...
    Have to agree with some of this - whilst regular season might have been a shit show in large parts with the lesser teams collapsing, especially in TWLD, the playoffs were still very competitive for TWLJ and TWLB with both leagues having at least 4 strong teams. The only league that really suffered was WB as TWDD activity was non-existent and there were only about 2 teams who had players even log in mid week for a number of months, and only about 3 teams who even had 'top' wbs in their lineups (this is not related to Cobra not winning TWLD but analysing the state of competitive wbing in the zone).
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