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    Been on both sides of that glitch a few times, always a good lol but not something I'd really worry about as it's extremely rare. Im glad this newbie came to his senses 24 hrs later and is now copying what I said word for word.. 🤔🤔🤔

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    Quote Originally Posted by qan View Post
    If we removed arena lag limits (or raise them to the point that they are inconsequential) and only used the bot's lag handler to test for excessive lag, then we could distinguish between lag and an intentional spec/DC. It's possible arena lag limits have some granularity or element that bot lag limits don't, though. Not sure if anything would be lost.

    I'm not sure if we can easily test for energy levels. Clients report deaths based on their tracked energy levels, which is one reason this game was so hackable before Priit's protections. It's in many cases client authoritative.

    I still have no idea why maketso did not receive +1, though... the fact that any of this could happen seems to show there's something a bit rotten in Denmark. As a result I've had mysterious music running through my head all day. Something to the tune of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJRKedSUHg4
    I didnt DC, bot specced me

    "P MatchBot6> LAG REPORT: Too high PLOSS Slow C2S [8.3 LIMIT: 5.0]"
    Is what the bot messages you when he specs you. I reconnected right after that

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    Quote Originally Posted by maketso View Post
    I didnt DC, bot specced me

    "P MatchBot6> LAG REPORT: Too high PLOSS Slow C2S [8.3 LIMIT: 5.0]"
    Is what the bot messages you when he specs you. I reconnected right after that
    I was just going to say this with regards to
    Quote Originally Posted by qan
    Rather than just rambling about bot problems, though, 2 concrete things I can add to the discussion:
    - According to bot logs, maketso and spikey both only did !lagout one time. So there was no lagout/DC before the game started followed by !lagout after it started.
    - maketso claims to have DC'd (according to his log). If he DC'd, he would have received +1 death, because this is not a spec lagout forced by the bot due to being over bot lag limits.
    doesn't seem to a bot issue at all, only bad players in spec. let's see a logfile from Blind where the bot is sending out !watchnme team messages and put this one to rest.

    then again, i was not there. i dont have a dog in this fight.
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    We just tested it with twdtj module.. If spikey wasnt in the arena and he came back with a 0-1 rec after scorereset he would have gotten 2 lagouts on the scorebox, which he hasnt.

    Code:
    • Go go go!
    • Major Crisis entered arena
    • Henry Saari left arena
    • P MatchBot6> Henry Saari lagged out or left the arena
    • Henry Saari has lagged out/left arena - +1 death
    • roisi(250) killed by: babe ruth
    • Lockdown(250) killed by: supra
    • Henry Saari entered arena
    • supra(256) killed by: Major Crisis
    • Wirah(250) killed by: 24
    • roisi(251) killed by: 24
    • 24(263) killed by: roisi
    • supra(250) killed by: Lockdown
    • Major Crisis(0) killed by: babe ruth
    • Wirah(251) killed by: babe ruth
    • P MatchBot6> Henry Saari lagged out or manually specced
    • Henry Saari has changed to spectator mode - +1 death
    • Major Crisis(250) killed by: supra
    • supra(257) killed by: Lockdown
    • 24(250) killed by: Wirah
    • Wirah(259) killed by: babe ruth
    • Major Crisis(250) killed by: supra
    • Lockdown(262) killed by: Henry Saari
    • roisi(250) killed by: 24
    • 24(257) killed by: Wirah
    • Lockdown(250) killed by: Wirah
    • Wirah(266) killed by: babe ruth
    • roisi(250) killed by: Lockdown
    • supra(262) killed by: babe ruth
    • Henry Saari(256) killed by: Major Crisis
    • Lockdown(256) killed by: supra
    • Henry Saari left arena
    • P MatchBot6> Henry Saari lagged out or left the arena
    • Henry Saari has lagged out/left arena - +1 death
    • supra(257) killed by: Major Crisis
    • 24(251) killed by: supra
    • Henry Saari entered arena
    • Wirah(257) killed by: babe ruth
    • Major Crisis(262) killed by: roisi
    • babe ruth(287) killed by: roisi
    • Henry Saari(250) killed by: 24
    • 24(259) killed by: roisi
    • Wirah(250) killed by: Major Crisis
    • Major Crisis(0) killed by: Lockdown
    • supra(250) killed by: Lockdown
    • roisi(269) killed by: 24
    • Wirah(250) killed by: Major Crisis
    • 24(256) killed by: Henry Saari
    • Henry Saari(257) killed by: Lockdown
    • 24(250) killed by: Wirah
    • Major Crisis(256) killed by: roisi
    • Wirah(206) killed by: Major Crisis
    • roisi(207) killed by: Major Crisis
    • 24(250) killed by: Henry Saari
    • E MatchBot6> -E- 24 at 8
    • supra(250) killed by: babe ruth
    • Major Crisis(250) killed by: roisi
    • 24 has changed to spectator mode - +1 death
    • E MatchBot6> -E- 24 at 9
    • Henry Saari(256) killed by: Major Crisis
    • roisi(256) killed by: 24
    • Lockdown(262) killed by: Wirah
    • supra(251) killed by: Major Crisis
    • Wirah(257) killed by: 24
    • Major Crisis has changed to spectator mode - +1 death
    • E MatchBot6> -E- Major Crisis at 8
    • Lockdown(250) killed by: supra
    • roisi(253) killed by: 24
    • supra(260) killed by: 24
    • Wirah(250) killed by: Major Crisis
    • Wirah is out. 5 wins 10 losses
    • Henry Saari(251) killed by: Major Crisis
    • supra(256) killed by: 24
    • supra is out. 6 wins 10 losses
    • roisi(253) killed by: Major Crisis
    • Major Crisis(270) killed by: Henry Saari
    • E MatchBot6> -E- Major Crisis at 9
    • Henry Saari(257) killed by: babe ruth
    • Lockdown(250) killed by: roisi
    • Henry Saari(253) killed by: babe ruth
    • Henry Saari is out. 4 wins 10 losses
    • roisi(260) killed by: babe ruth
    • roisi is out. 7 wins 10 losses
    • Blueout has been disabled. You can speak in public now.
    • Result of WIRAH vs. MAJOR: 36 - 50 21 Aug 2018 19:22:24
    • ,---------------------------------+------+------+-----------+----.
    • | K | D | TK | Rating | LO |
    • | ,------+------+------+-----------+----+
    • | WIRAH / 22 | 40 | 0 | 299 | 3 |
    • +------------------------' | | | | |
    • | Henry Saari 4 | 10 | 0 | 68 | 3 |
    • | roisi 7 | 10 | 0 | 83 | 0 |
    • | supra 6 | 10 | 0 | 76 | 0 |
    • | Wirah 5 | 10 | 0 | 72 | 0 |
    • +---------------------------------+------+------+-----------+----+
    • | ,------+------+------+-----------+----+
    • | MAJOR / 37 | 26 | 2 | 514 | 3 |
    • +------------------------' | | | | |
    • | 24 10 | 9 | 0 | 117 | 1 |
    • | babe ruth 10 | 1 | 1 | 184 | 0 |
    • | Lockdown 5 | 7 | 1 | 89 | 0 |
    • | Major Crisis 12 | 9 | 0 | 124 | 2 |
    • `---------------------------------+------+------+-----------+----'
    • MAJOR wins this game!
    • MVP: Major Crisis!
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    Blind kills - 41
    Terrorist tks - 2
    Spikey lagout - 1
    Total 44

    Omg it matches with the kills recorded!!!!!!!!! You guys are slow as hell for actually testing this, literally the only way spikey got another death was if someone also lost a life due to lagout which qan just confirmed did not happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zidane View Post
    Blind kills - 41
    Terrorist tks - 2
    Spikey lagout - 1
    Total 44

    Omg it matches with the kills recorded!!!!!!!!! You guys are slow as hell for actually testing this, literally the only way spikey got another death was if someone also lost a life due to lagout which qan just confirmed did not happen.

    You are really retarded here. How can Spikey with a +1 go to 10 deaths in F2? If he came back from lagout after scorereset without being in the arena, he would have gotten 2 lagouts. The bot didnt record the +1 it seems, since it just recorded with the amount of deaths he had on F2. People were claiming here that Spikey returned with a !lagout after entering arena while game started. He had to have a 0-1 rec. But that theory is false, cuz he would have had 2 lagouts on scorebox.. The bot obviously missed something.
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    If spikey died twice who has the extra kill??? Are you making the argument that your team started the round at -1 kills or that the bot didn't record one of your teammates kill? I'm really curious whether you're actually stupid or just trolling at this point

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    Quote Originally Posted by zidane View Post
    If spikey died twice who has the extra kill??? Are you making the argument that your team started the round at -1 kills or that the bot didn't record one of your teammates kill? I'm really curious whether you're actually stupid or just trolling at this point

    It didnt record the +1 most likely.
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    Read up man... you have 41 kills, terror 2 tks that makes 43. You lost 50-44... meaning what? There was one player who got +1, which was spikey. Your f2 score means nothing if you're not in arena at gogo, everyone knows this

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    Quote Originally Posted by zidane View Post
    Read up man... you have 41 kills, terror 2 tks that makes 43. You lost 50-44... meaning what? There was one player who got +1, which was spikey. Your f2 score means nothing if you're not in arena at gogo, everyone knows this
    Yea, f2 doesnt mean shit if Spikey wasnt in the arena at go. And you are right with that 41+tk+the lagout. But his lagout count doesnt make sense if Spikey wasnt in the arena. He would have had a count of 2 if he wasnt. So the theory of Spikey not being in the arena is bullshit. So obviously the bot glitched with the +1.
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    When can we expect this case to be reviewed by official twdt ops?

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    Give it up, Vys and co. will never go back and change an decsion made because that would be admitting they made a mistake, they are like Gods and do not do such things. Accept it guys.
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    its a known fact most of u guys induce/create extra lag to have an "advantage" (lol) You still do this in 2018 (rofl) And now you appeal cause some guy got killed just at the start of the game which gave him a death on f2. You guys care so fuckin much, i dont believe you have fun.

    btw vys got exposed in EG for forcing/inducing extra lag and this the guy who suposed to be fair? ROFL

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    It has been proven that there was some sort of a bot error which resulted in some player(s) missing +1 added by the Matchbot. Under these circumstances, a bot error is crucial enough to warrant a replay regardless of the game outcome or the player in question who missed that +1 or did not. We have taken some measures to ensure that our bots would work properly in the future to avoid any new bot error or more replays during this season of TWDT. The question of allowing a replay is based entirely on the fact that there indeed was a bot error and considering TWDT to be the pro league of the zone it is better to not leave any games decided by an error or even having a doubt about the possibility of an error deciding outcome of a game.

    Therefore appeal is accepted as previously written by vys and replay will happen on Sunday 26th at 2:30PM EST.

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    I think it makes good sense - even if both teams were affected equally you can't really say so it's better to replay it. But is this a new error? It clearly isn't rare - it happened at least twice in the same game once to finite (otherwise how could Terrorist have 47 and not 46?) - but is it new? Maketso said he didn't get +1 added during other matches and people are saying you only get +1 added if you are within certain arena lag limits? Is that the cause and is what is being fixed? Because that wasn't an error that's a feature implemented for a reason... if staff aren't aware of this "error" and it's proven to effect the teams equally in the match I don't see how you can have a rematch. It wasn't a bot error it was a feature with a purpose, nevertheless both teams had the same opportunities. The fact that Spikey was useful on his last death has no bearing on anything, in fact I'm sure the game was won because of his efforts moreso than any bot error by a factor of 100. Or can you prove that this was a bot error and not just say that it was proven?

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    What if it is just f2 who glitched? And what if Blind come with a full army and Terrorist miss maketso and commodo in the replay week?

    I had skyforger pming me on forum to ask a log of the game where cyclone was bench and someone has been borrow. "Staff has to treat all their players equally and rules are same for everyone. Or else this is not better than one man dictatorship. I know Henry and Cyclone hate each other with a passion. This is very disturbing information you gave. Not so much different from Steadman case where he refused to play for his team, only here host and captain refusing to add HIS team. As you know in former case many even wanted a ban for such actions. Despicable if that happened, but I need proof so this is not swept under the rug since high staffers are involved." (this is not a screenshot, so I could have invented everything, this is why nobody can piss me off about publicing personnal data) I answered to ask someone like Trasher or turban, but my little finger tells me they never heard of it. I have a feeling that qan is controlling this bunch of dogs and if this is exact let me tell you : your are fucking really bad, you should stay far away from leagues. If not then EXCUSE ME.

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    The bot put out a +1 message but didn't give the death. Yet both teams played an equal amount of lives. This should have been closed immediately regardless of how well Spikey did because of that fact. Fix the bot error that for some reasons gives out the message but doesn't give a death, fix the arena/bot lag thing, do all that, but the game itself was played fairly. Just look at the stats everyone played the same amount and the "bug" evened out. Really you're saying an entire match should be replayed because the bot gave a wrong message?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry Saari View Post
    It has been proven that there was some sort of a bot error which resulted in some player(s) missing +1 added by the Matchbot. Under these circumstances, a bot error is crucial enough to warrant a replay regardless of the game outcome or the player in question who missed that +1 or did not. We have taken some measures to ensure that our bots would work properly in the future to avoid any new bot error or more replays during this season of TWDT. The question of allowing a replay is based entirely on the fact that there indeed was a bot error and considering TWDT to be the pro league of the zone it is better to not leave any games decided by an error or even having a doubt about the possibility of an error deciding outcome of a game.

    Therefore appeal is accepted as previously written by vys and replay will happen on Sunday 26th at 2:30PM EST.
    What exactly did the bot do wrong?
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    can we stop and wonder in amazement at the fact that we play a VIDEO GAME that has "generations"???

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldinho View Post
    What if it is just f2 who glitched? And what if Blind come with a full army and Terrorist miss maketso and commodo in the replay week?

    I had skyforger pming me on forum to ask a log of the game where cyclone was bench and someone has been borrow. "Staff has to treat all their players equally and rules are same for everyone. Or else this is not better than one man dictatorship. I know Henry and Cyclone hate each other with a passion. This is very disturbing information you gave. Not so much different from Steadman case where he refused to play for his team, only here host and captain refusing to add HIS team. As you know in former case many even wanted a ban for such actions. Despicable if that happened, but I need proof so this is not swept under the rug since high staffers are involved." (this is not a screenshot, so I could have invented everything, this is why nobody can piss me off about publicing personnal data) I answered to ask someone like Trasher or turban, but my little finger tells me they never heard of it. I have a feeling that qan is controlling this bunch of dogs and if this is exact let me tell you : your are fucking really bad, you should stay far away from leagues. If not then EXCUSE ME.
    I played nasty twice now in base and they had to borrow both time.. First time they didnt add Cyclone, who wants to play with him on his team eh... Second time (last week) I told them to add him since he is on their team. They added him with aversion.. Which I can understand tbh.. But still the guy is on your team and should add people of your own team before you add borrows. I honestly cant be bothered too much about it, since a borrow will probably will give a better match and more fun to play. Imo trolls/idiots like that shouldnt be allowed in leagues like this. Because there was a captain forced to pick him.
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